Why Republicans make sore losers

[LuciferSam]

Makes no difference to me whose asses the heads came from~~~~~I am thankful we haven't been attacked again. ;-)

I agree, but it's presumptive for anyone to attribute the iraq war, torture, waterboarding etc for this. I mean you can bleed somebody with leeches and they might get over their bronchitis, but should you really credit the treatment?

 

[Blair]

I agree, but it's presumptive for anyone to attribute the iraq war, torture, waterboarding etc for this. I mean you can bleed somebody with leeches and they might get over their bronchitis, but should you really credit the treatment?

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You credit whatever fixed your problem......

 

[LuciferSam]

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You credit whatever fixed your problem......

Come on blair, pick up the pace just a little please. The point of the analogy being that the leech treatment had absolutely nothing to do with the recovery, it was merely coincidental to it. It was useless and possibly harmful in ways unknown. The recovery occurred on its own due to other reasons. With the Bush administration more than likely the reason we haven't been attacked is the maintenence of a heightened level of vigilance. There is no reason to believe that torture, waterboarding, abuse, Iraq (the leeches in this analogy) had anything to do with it. There is no way anyone of sound mind can say that's what prevented an attack without some causitive evidence. Those tactics have been harmful in ways known and probably unknown at this point. I am amazed at how many people can be duped into embracing tactics when there is no sound reason for doing so. Makes me want to go into alternative medicine.

 

[Lynnie]

I don't think the strength of the military would make any difference. These are suicide terrorists. The threat of retaliation is not a deterrent in any way. Our perceived strength would not have made a bit of difference. Vigilance is the only solution. We were caught with our pants down around our ankles, plain and simple.

They are suicide terrorists, but they are funded and organized by Osama bin Laden who is a coward and hides. I think bin Laden perceived us as weak while we were shutting down nearly 50% of our military bases and he began the planning of 9.11.01. I do not think that it was planned from Jan 20, 2001, nor do I think it was planned at Nov 7, 2000. I think it was being planned well prior to either of those dates.

We showed him that his perception of our weakness quickly became a rude awakening for his reality and that we are after him. Remember, too that Bill Clinton by inaction released the head terrorist. bin Laden quite possibly perceived that as a 'free ride' and ultimately a weakness of the United States.

A country is only as strong as her military. I hope Obama keeps ours strong!

My $0.04. Inflation, doncha know.

 

[Cheering472]

I'm all about us worrying about saving lives. But I'm not convinced torture really keeps us safe. If torturing captives has kept us from a terrorist attack for over 7 years and counting; what kept us safe in the 8 years between 1993's WTC attack to 9/11?

Cheney loves to throw out the number of years that they kept us safe by torturing prisoners. But we had no attack on US soil for a longer period of time under Clinton and he only tortured Hillary.

 

[hnooe]

I'm all about us worrying about saving lives. But I'm not convinced torture really keeps us safe. If torturing captives has kept us from a terrorist attack for over 7 years and counting; what kept us safe in the 8 years between 1993's WTC attack to 9/11?

Cheney loves to throw out the number of years that they kept us safe by torturing prisoners. But we had no attack on US soil for a longer period of time under Clinton and he only tortured Hillary.[/quote]


Oh Cheering..I dont want to laugh at that, I dont want to laugh at that..

 

[Andy A]

I'm all about us worrying about saving lives. But I'm not convinced torture really keeps us safe. If torturing captives has kept us from a terrorist attack for over 7 years and counting; what kept us safe in the 8 years between 1993's WTC attack to 9/11?

Cheney loves to throw out the number of years that they kept us safe by torturing prisoners. But we had no attack on US soil for a longer period of time under Clinton and he only tortured Hillary.

If you are so naive as to think I was referring only to "torture", (your word, not mine) as keeping us safe, you are not living in the real world. We have been kept safe because we strengthened ourselves and became much more vigilant. We are still not vigilant enough but we are more so than before 9/11. I am not so naive as to believe we cannot be attacked again. In fact, I think it is likely we will be and I can almost guarantee it will happen if we drop our vigilance, the strength of our military and continue to tell the enemy everything we plan to do in the future. Sometimes secrecy is a good thing, though I know some have not been exposed to situations where that could be proven.
Clinton has received a totally free pass on almost every "attack" or incident that occurred during his watch. IMO, 9/11 occurred because we didn't do anything about the 1st WTC bombing and we were seen as weak and spineless.

 

[30ashopper]

I don't think the strength of the military would make any difference. These are suicide terrorists. The threat of retaliation is not a deterrent in any way. Our perceived strength would not have made a bit of difference. Vigilance is the only solution. We were caught with our pants down around our ankles, plain and simple.

I agree with this. Military strength is what you need in a response, but it has little todo with protecting the nation against attacks. What we need is securer ports, securer borders, better intelligence, and we need to be more careful about paying attention to what's going on in the world.

Bush clearly worked on all of these things. We all know the news on what got passed, and what got stopped, and who stopped the progress. It's not something you fix overnight so hopfully over time politicians, the people, the unions, et all will pull their respective heads out and get it done.

Speaking of which, I've not heard much from Obama about secure borders and ports, specifically the southern border and our immigration problems. Anyone have any links to news on that subject? Seems like solving these problems, all of which were huge campaign issues, ground to hault right after the election. I've heard a lot about CIA investigations on torture, but what about improved foriegn intelligence? Did we stop caring about protecting the country on Jan. 20th? This is an honest question, not a jab. These problems were huge issues for me in the election. I hope they have not fallen by the way side.

 

[30ashopper]

Hmm, send more agents to the border, cancel pilot programs related to securing ports, and keep a bush era 700 million fund for better mexican law enforcement.

Not a high point in Obama's budget in my book.

washingtonpost.com

Obama to beef up Mexico border policy - CNN.com

I guess this did fall by the way side. On the bright side, the wounded will have free healthcare.

 

[Geo]

If you are so naive as to think I was referring only to "torture", (your word, not mine) as keeping us safe, you are not living in the real world. We have been kept safe because we strengthened ourselves and became much more vigilant. We are still not vigilant enough but we are more so than before 9/11. I am not so naive as to believe we cannot be attacked again. In fact, I think it is likely we will be and I can almost guarantee it will happen if we drop our vigilance, the strength of our military and continue to tell the enemy everything we plan to do in the future. Sometimes secrecy is a good thing, though I know some have not been exposed to situations where that could be proven.
Clinton has received a totally free pass on almost every "attack" or incident that occurred during his watch. IMO, 9/11 occurred because we didn't do anything about the 1st WTC bombing and we were seen as weak and spineless.

I do not believe terrorists or terrorist attacks can be stopped. Let's not forget- we are talking about religious fanatics who believe what they are doing is an act of god...

Respond to an attack, don't respond to an attack. Appear weak, appear strong. It changes nothing. The nuts will still want to blow us up and sometimes they will be successful...

No president and no military can keep us safe from these kooks. The whole "on Bush's watch", "on Clinton's watch" discussion is just silly. It's like saying one Florida governor kept us safe from hurricanes because none hit but another one had flawed policies because one did hit...



That IMHO- is the real world...