Obama?s health plan is ?downright evil?

[Teresa]

Ya get ta hear it straight from the mavericks mouth. No need for fact checkin' you betcha.;-);-);-)


Palin brands Obama?€™s health plan ?€˜evil?€™ - White House- msnbc.com

Palin is catering to a certain crowd brilliantly described by Bill Maher.

Bill Maher: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country

hmmmm. Bill's blog surely explains a lot - like Palin's statements in the MSNBC report. very enlightening stuff. thanks all for sharing.

 

[Lynnie]

In this article, Palin is not using her child as some of you have suggested. But, she is considering his level of medical care for the REST OF HIS LIFE! Obama health care plan will not provide for much of the needed care a Down's Syndrome Baby will require. And, the left is more compassionate than the right? Some on this board disprove this daily.

Y'all carry on being ugly to other people~~~~~Geez!

 

[TooFarTampa]

In this article, Palin is not using her child as some of you have suggested. But, she is considering his level of medical care for the REST OF HIS LIFE! Obama health care plan will not provide for much of the needed care a Down's Syndrome Baby will require. And, the left is more compassionate than the right? Some on this board disprove this daily.

Y'all carry on being ugly to other people~~~~~Geez!

Why wouldn't it? Medicaid does.

 

[lerxst]

In this article, Palin is not using her child as some of you have suggested. But, she is considering his level of medical care for the REST OF HIS LIFE! Obama health care plan will not provide for much of the needed care a Down's Syndrome Baby will require. And, the left is more compassionate than the right? Some on this board disprove this daily.

Y'all carry on being ugly to other people~~~~~Geez!

you would think she was using her child as a "human shield" or something!

 

[LuciferSam]

Why wouldn't it? Medicaid does.

That's right. When a young person is tragically disabled, the state picks up the tab. It's ludicrous to assume that any proposed federal plan is going to do any worse than Medicaid. Tragic as it is, for seriously disabled people, there is not much more you can do than warehouse them in the most humane manner possible. I know this from experience. Where in the healthcare bill does it call for a reduction in the quality of services for the mentally disabled?? (insert theme from jeopardy here)

 

[Teresa]

good grief, look at this and tell me what this even means. what in the heck is she talking about? obviously, she is trying to sell fear, but what is her basis? where are her facts? once again, she has proven in her own words, written on her FB page no less, that she is clueless.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil" Friday in her first online comments since leaving office, saying in a Facebook posting that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans."The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote.
"Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote on her page, which has nearly 700,000 supporters. She encouraged her supporters to be engaged in the debate.

I'm sorry, but I see these words to be based in ignorance with intention to spread fear among a specific group of Americans who will actually listen to her words. I strongly feel that using her son to make political statements such as this is beyond disturbing. Enough with the drama, incoherence and fear mongoring. Thank God she is not in the white house and never will be.

 

[Lynnie]

To receive Medicaid benefits, you have be below the poverty level. Comparing Medicaid, which has been abused and the government allowed it, to the plan recently proposed and pushed by Obama is comparing apples and oranges.

As far as the 'why wouldn't it?' question: in reading the plan, everyone's medical care will be rationed. Many people compare it to a really bad HMO.

Y'all continue debating this AND berating people; some of you are showing your true colors. We need reform, not nationalized health care.

 

[TooFarTampa]

To receive Medicaid benefits, you have be below the poverty level. Comparing Medicaid, which has been abused and the government allowed it, to the plan recently proposed and pushed by Obama is comparing apples and oranges.

As far as the 'why wouldn't it?' question: in reading the plan, everyone's medical care will be rationed. Many people compare it to a really bad HMO.

Y'all continue debating this AND berating people; some of you are showing your true colors. We need reform, not nationalized health care.

I'm not berating anyone, I just want specifics. I came to this forum for the great information I could find here about SoWal and it's my belief we should keep the standards high for all major discussions.

I mentioned Medicaid because it is government-run, not because is will be exactly like whatever public option might be available (which has not been hammered out yet, despite the online availability of the proposed House bill). I don't believe that bill will stand in its entirety.

And single-payer nationalized health care doesn't seem to even be on the table.

Sarah Palin's post was a red-meat dog whistle, not an accurate assessment of the plan. ABC's Jake Tapper -- whom MANY right-leaners regard as a sympathetic friend-type -- has analyzed it nicely:

One can question whether there will by necessity be any rationing decisions that will need to come as a part of health care reform (and, in fact, we have) but pictures of government bureaucrats forcing euthanasia upon seniors -- and, now, children with Down syndrome -- because they're not productive members of society are not part of any reasonable debate on the facts of the matter. (And frankly, I agreed with Palin previously, when she was asking members of the media to keep her children out of any public debate.)

Asked specifically what the former governor was referring to when painting a picture of an Obama "death panel" giving her parents or son Trig a thumbs up or down based on their productivity, Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton responded in an email: "From HR3200 p. 425 see 'Advance Care Planning Consultation'."

That's a curious reading of page 425 of the House Democrats' bill, which refers to “advance care planning consultation,” defined as a senior and a medical practitioner discussing “advance care planning, if…the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years.”

This includes an “explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to,” an “explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses,” and an “explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.”

It directs the medical provider to give the patients “a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning,” and an explanation “of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title,” as well as “an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders.”

Factcheck.org disputes this interpretation, saying “accepted definition of end-of-life planning means thinking ahead about the care you would like to receive at the end of your life -- which may include the choice to reject extraordinary measures of life support, or the choice to embrace them….the bill would not make these sessions mandatory.”

Likewise, Politfact suggests that this interpretation was "Pants-on-Fire" untrue.

"Rationing" does happen in the real world. My brother in law, God rest his soul, suffered greatly in the final year of his life with Stage 4 cancer. What was covered for him were chemotherapy and radiation that turned out to mostly palliative and slightly life-extending (and I can't imagine palliative care would be rationed -- that would just be inhumane). The experimental and very expensive Avastin that he took for a few months was not covered. It really did not help him, even if it extended his life for a month or two. He was in great pain.

 

[Lynnie]

I'm not berating anyone, I just want specifics. I came to this forum for the great information I could find here about SoWal and it's my belief we should keep the standards high for all major discussions.

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TFT, those who berate one another know who they are. I agree in learning more, but it's very frustrating to try to get info. here because you have to literally fish through the ugliness.

You always have great posts! ;-)

 

[Alicia Leonard]

To receive Medicaid benefits, you have be below the poverty level. Comparing Medicaid, which has been abused and the government allowed it, to the plan recently proposed and pushed by Obama is comparing apples and oranges.

As far as the 'why wouldn't it?' question: in reading the plan, everyone's medical care will be rationed. Many people compare it to a really bad HMO.

Y'all continue debating this AND berating people; some of you are showing your true colors. We need reform, not nationalized health care.

From my research, your income is not looked at if you have a special needs child. The child is considered to be disabled and disability and coverage of medical needs will be met regardless of income.
http://www.cmdss.org/Guide/Started.html

Insurance & Medicaid
STOP! Don’t pay your baby’s hospital bill yet! Chances are you may already have medical insurance or plans to pay for your baby’s hospital bill out of your own pocket. Even if you have great insurance and a good paying job, you will want to explore applying for Disabled Child Living at Home through the Division of Medicaid.
Children with Down syndrome will likely qualify due to their disability.
Medicaid will go back for three months and pay most or all medical bills incurred on behalf of your child.
Disabled Child Living at Home is NOT based on your income level; it is based on your child’s disability.