Obama?s health plan is ?downright evil?

[Geo]

So what Bill is saying is, the job of electing our government officials and presidents is left to a bunch of idiots that know nothing about how the country and government operates?? I see. Makes sense.

Bill is saying that there are a lot of dumb people here in the US. These folks have the same voting rights as those who are informed (call them elite if you like). Your post smells of sarcasm but I can't understand why. Do you believe America is the land of smart people?

 

[Winnie]

good grief, look at this and tell me what this even means. what in the heck is she talking about? obviously, she is trying to sell fear, but what is her basis? where are her facts? once again, she has proven in her own words, written on her FB page no less, that she is clueless.



I'm sorry, but I see these words to be based in ignorance with intention to spread fear among a specific group of Americans who will actually listen to her words. I strongly feel that using her son to make political statements such as this is beyond disturbing. Enough with the drama, incoherence and fear mongoring. Thank God she is not in the white house and never will be.

It could be that some in the media are misstating the point Sarah Palin was making.

Althouse: Did Sarah Palin say Obama's "death panel" might kill her baby?

She doesn't say that the government will kill disabled (or elderly) persons directly, but that death will occur as a result of the decisions of cost controlling bureaucrats who with the power to determine who can receive various treatments.

Maybe it's all in how you view the author, not so much the words. There is a link to Ms. Palin's entire entry in the article. I don't find it incoherent or even difficult to interpret. It certainly isn't fear-mongering.

 

[Teresa]

TFT, those who berate one another know who they are. I agree in learning more, but it's very frustrating to try to get info. here because you have to literally fish through the ugliness.

You always have great posts! ;-)

Lynnie, I just want to say that I do not believe anyone is here to berate one another in this discussion. Experienced SoWallers are very familiar with rules of conduct here, and are pretty decent people all the way around, at least in my experience - even here in the often controversial Political forum.

To have differing viewpoints on an issue or on a political person (palin) is totally acceptable. The discussion is what is so important here. We do not have to agree. We do have to refrain from pointing fingers and name calling, however. No one here is berating another... as far as I can tell. I think we've learned this lesson well over the years. It is never acceptable, and accomplishes nothing, to call one another names or make accusations. Through experience on this forum, it has been established (through much discussion among members of all political standing) that a public/political figure is completely fair game (such as palin). a fellow sowaller is not.

 

[Lynnie]

From my research, your income is not looked at if you have a special needs child. The child is considered to be disabled and disability and coverage of medical needs will be met regardless of income.
New Parent Guide - Getting Started

Insurance & Medicaid
STOP! Don?t pay your baby?s hospital bill yet! Chances are you may already have medical insurance or plans to pay for your baby?s hospital bill out of your own pocket. Even if you have great insurance and a good paying job, you will want to explore applying for Disabled Child Living at Home through the Division of Medicaid.
Children with Down syndrome will likely qualify due to their disability.
Medicaid will go back for three months and pay most or all medical bills incurred on behalf of your child.
Disabled Child Living at Home is NOT based on your income level; it is based on your child?s disability.

You are absolutely correct.

There is also an assets threshold, which must be met. With medicaid, there are many qualifiers and it is state specific. If one category disqualifies you, despite your child being a Down's Syndrome Baby, there will be no benefits.

I don't know what the Palin's assets are or their income now that she is no longer working; however, my guess is that they will not qualify for Medicaid benefits.

I could be wrong......just sharing information.

;-)

 

[Lynnie]

Lynnie, I just want to say that I do not believe anyone is here to berate one another in this discussion. Experienced SoWallers are very familiar with rules of conduct here, and are pretty decent people all the way around, at least in my experience - even here in the often controversial Political forum.

To have differing viewpoints on an issue or on a political person (palin) is totally acceptable. The discussion is what is so important here. We do not have to agree. We do have to refrain from pointing fingers and name calling, however. No one here is berating another... as far as I can tell. I think we've learned this lesson well over the years. It is never acceptable, and accomplishes nothing, to call one another names or make accusations. Through experience on this forum, it has been established (through much discussion among members of all political standing) that a public/political figure is completely fair game (such as palin). a fellow sowaller is not.

I've seen sowallers berating and beating each other up in many threads. Just an observation. I couldn't care less if someone bashes Sarah Palin or any other politician. That happens regularly here. But, just this morning, I've read a couple of threads that make me cringe at how ugly sowallers are being to one another. Again, just an observation. ;-)

 

[Teresa]

It could be that some in the media are misstating the point Sarah Palin was making.

Althouse: Did Sarah Palin say Obama's "death panel" might kill her baby?



Maybe it's all in how you view the author, not so much the words. There is a link to Ms. Palin's entire entry in the article. I don't find it incoherent or even difficult to interpret. It certainly isn't fear-mongering.

I do not think so. This statement was covered in many reports from many news sources. I think her words were pretty well documented. It is so evident that with her selection of words, Evil, Death Panel, etc... she is selling fear to a segment of americans who absolutely thrive on such fear. She knows what she's saying.. some people may understand her words completely. but, as usual, she has given no fact or basis for her statements. Its negative drama with the intent to drive fear into people's hearts. It is her way. I guess I am tired of seeing and hearing this kind of trash talk.

 

[beachmouse]

You are absolutely correct.

There is also an assets threshold, which must be met. With medicaid, there are many qualifiers and it is state specific. If one category disqualifies you, despite your child being a Down's Syndrome Baby, there will be no benefits.

Though that asset threshold can be fairly high in some states. I knew an upper middle class family who was very surprised to discover that Medicaid did in fact cover a lot of the long term hospital care charges when their daughter was born extremely premature.

 

[Lynnie]

Though that asset threshold can be fairly high in some states. I knew an upper middle class family who was very surprised to discover that Medicaid did in fact cover a lot of the long term hospital care charges when their daughter was born extremely premature.

Yes, it varies greatly. Medicaid encourages making application. ;-) I wonder however if this upper middle class family had medical insurance on at least one parent. Because that would kick in prior to Medicaid.

There are rules on insurance paying primary, secondary, etc. I am glad your acquaintance's baby was covered and hope all is well.

 

[Teresa]

I've seen sowallers berating and beating each other up in many threads. Just an observation. I couldn't care less if someone bashes Sarah Palin or any other politician. That happens regularly here. But, just this morning, I've read a couple of threads that make me cringe at how ugly sowallers are being to one another. Again, just an observation. ;-)

well, it is my experience that most people here are old friends (in real life or virtual). I've seen them clash from time to time, and even call each other silly names. It's all part of learning to give, take, share and very much a lesson in respect for others, and "live and let live". Experience on the board teaches us much about the art of discussion, whether its just for fun or a debate about important issues. I believe most have big hearts and much to offer..

I was under the impression you were frustrated with posters on this thread. I wanted to point out that everyone here has stated their own opinions, within the proper code of conduct - whether you like their style or personality or not. At least I believe it to be so. maybe others see it differently. in any case, its really all wonderful because we are all connected to the great community of SoWal in one way or another. and in the scheme of life, disagreements on a message board is really not all that big a deal. there are some who are perpetually disagreeable - and that is their style. you can let it bother you, or you can skip it and go to something more to your liking. sometimes we need to step away from the keyboard and get a reality check. ya know?

 

[Lynnie]

wow. most people here are old friends. I've seen them clash from time to time, and even call each other silly names. It's all part of learning to give, take, share and very much a lesson in respect for others, and "live and let live". Experience on the board teaches us much about the art of discussion, whether its just for fun or a debate about important issues. I believe most have big hearts and much to offer..

I was under the impression you were calling out people on this thread. I wanted to point out that everyone here has stated their own opinions, within the proper code of conduct - whether you like their style or personality or not. At least I believe it to be so. maybe others see it differently. in any case, its really all wonderful because we are all connected to the great community of SoWal in one way or another. and in the scheme of life, disagreements on a message board is really not all that big a deal. sometimes we need to step away from the keyboard and get a reality check. ya know?

I have no reason to dislike anyone here, but I see obvious dislike on the board among some of the people......and, they do know who they are.

It's a great place, indeed. Both physically as well as virtually. Those who kick each other around don't seem to be friends, however....or even respectful of another's opinion; and, you are right in that it's the poster's style. Often times the posts are hurtful and certainly there is a consciousness to this? I'm sure you've seen those posts. Maybe it will improve......