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Bob

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we are alone in industrialized nations in our lack of universal health care
 

cabythesea

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Complicated issue - the article does hit some important HIGH points. Cost, access and quality need to be addressed:

"Our health-care system suffers from problems of cost, access and quality, and needs major reform.
Medicare and Medicaid drive spending without optimizing care.
Speeches and news reports can lead you to believe that proposed congressional legislation would tackle the problems of cost, access and quality. But that's not true. The various bills do deal with access by expanding Medicaid and mandating subsidized insurance at substantial cost—and thus addresses an important social goal. However, there are no provisions to substantively control the growth of costs or raise the quality of care.
The final legislation that will emerge from Congress will markedly accelerate national health-care spending rather than restrain it. Likewise, nearly all agree that the legislation would do little or nothing to improve quality or change health-care's dysfunctional delivery system. The system we have now promotes fragmented care and makes it more difficult than it should be to assess outcomes and patient satisfaction. The true costs of health care are disguised, competition based on price and quality are almost impossible, and patients lose their ability to be the ultimate judges of value.
Worse, currently proposed federal legislation would undermine any potential for real innovation in insurance and the provision of care. It would do so by overregulating the health-care system in the service of special interests such as insurance companies, hospitals, professional organizations and pharmaceutical companies, rather than the patients who should be our primary concern. "
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
we are alone in industrialized nations in our lack of universal health care

I understand it's hard to see people suffer. But remember the reason why we are who we are is not because we followed everyone elses lead. This country exists today specifically because we wanted to do things differently.
 

Kayak Fish

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Very convincing racial stereotypes. The doc is right- anyone with gold teeth and an R&B ringtone should bleed to death on the gurney! YEEHAW!

By the way, Massachussetts has mandates to buy private insurance but no public option which is precisely why its costs will continue to explode. Think about who put it in place and it all starts to make more sense.
 

Bob

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I understand it's hard to see people suffer. But remember the reason why we are who we are is not because we followed everyone elses lead. This country exists today specifically because we wanted to do things differently.
your "existence" "anal"ogy should be checked for fecal matter. so socialized health care for the poor, the retired,the military vets, government workers, anyone who can survive the indigent wait in an emergency room, but no one else?
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
your "existence" "anal"ogy should be checked for fecal matter. so socialized health care for the poor, the retired,the military vets, government workers, anyone who can survive the indigent wait in an emergency room, but no one else?

You personal insults are not appreciated. I've flagged your post.

We have safety nets in place for the poor. The retired wouldn't have any trouble paying for healthcare if the democrats hadn't robbed them of good income all these years, military vets are entitled to long term care for their sacrifice which should be (and I think is) provided through private providers, and government should treat its workers just like any other employer - coverage through a private policy.
 
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Dominoes

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You personal insults are not appreciated. I've flagged your post.

We have safety nets in place for the poor. The retired wouldn't have any trouble paying for healthcare if the democrats hadn't been robbing them of good income all these years, military vets are entitled to long term care for their sacrifice which should be (and I think is) provided through private providers, and government should treat its workers just like any other employer - coverage through a private policy.

It is outrageous that reposting a letter to the editor from a reputable newspaper written by a doctor about his own experience with the health care reform debate would be deleted by the moderators, but bob's insults at you 30-a were not deleted.

:dunno:
 

Dominoes

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Feb 17, 2008
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Very convincing racial stereotypes. The doc is right- anyone with gold teeth and an R&B ringtone should bleed to death on the gurney! YEEHAW!

By the way, Massachussetts has mandates to buy private insurance but no public option which is precisely why its costs will continue to explode. Think about who put it in place and it all starts to make more sense.

there is no mention of race in the post. that you thought of race when you read it just demonstrates that you stereotype based on behaviors. The Dean of Harvard Medical School warns this will limit access and destroy medical innovation. The Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic, beacons of medical innovation and quality care, are against it. Your blind partisan support and that of your party's leader is exactly why John Boehnner will be Speaker of the House in 2010.
 

AlphaCrab

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I understand it's hard to see people suffer. But remember the reason why we are who we are is not because we followed everyone elses lead. This country exists today specifically becausewe wanted to do things differently.

What a horrible and condescending statement. I'd be ashamed!:angry:
So our idea of "leadership" is to our deprive citizens!! Unbelievable.
 
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