Bible verses on weapons

[Gidget]

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[Matt J]

SB and G, you do realize that the show is on Comedy Central and a spoof of right wing conservative talk show hosts?

 

[scooterbug44]

Duh!

Doesn't mean it isn't a reflection of my opinions.

 

[Minnie]

As to why the company does this, this article explains that. Many companies are Christian based and put verses on their products. As the article says they are a private business and have as much right to do this as does any company putting a logo on their product.

If the government has a problem with it they have the right to either choose a new vendor or ask for a product that does not contain the verses. However any modification to the product will mean a deviation from their retail product, hence I would expect the cost to be higher. As to choosing another vendor this product is the best made, I guess we might want to ask the soldier in the field which he prefers.

January 19, 2010 7:10 a.m. EST​

Topics: United States, Offbeat
Kris Alingod - AHN Contributor
Washington, D.C., United States (AHN) - A Michigan-based company that manufactures scopes for firearms is under scrutiny because a report has found that it includes New Testament verses in its products, some of which are used by the U.S. military.

According to ABC, Trijicon has contracts with the Defense Department, including a $660 million multi-year contract to provide 800,000 optical sighting devices to the Marine Corps. The sights contain Bible verses that include JN8:12, which refers to John 8:12, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."​

The devices from the company are used by American troops in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as to train Afghan soldiers ahead of the scheduled troop drawdown in 2011. According to details of one $33 million contract approved last year by the Defense Department, Trijicon is supplying the Marine Corps. with a device, called M240B medium machine gun day optic, that helps a machine gunner recognize and identify a target.​

The U.S. military prohibits proselytizing of any faith in Afghanistan or Iraq, according to ABC. The Army and the Marine Corps said in the report that they were unaware of the Bible codes.
The company told ABC that the New Testament codes are included in the scopes being sold to the U.S. military, and that concerns about the verses were being raised by a group that is not Christian.
Trijicon's website says its vision is, "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom." It adds, "We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will strive to follow those morals."​

The issue has ignited debate, with a commenter named Michael Martin on the online Christian news magazine, Worldmag.com, saying, "There is no separation of church and state issue here. The company can put whatever they want to on their product. The government is free to buy, or not buy the product as is."​

 

[scooterbug44]

The problem is not that a private company is adding scripture references to its product (unbeknown to the buyers).

The problem is that we specifically drafted rules about his kind of thing in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarking on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

Our military and intelligence community identified a major potential issue and took steps to avoid it. These sights are a public relations nightmare.

P.S. How would you feel if our military personnel were issued equipment with verses from the Qur'an on them?

 

[Minnie]

Bascially I could care less what is on the sights. The question was asked why the company does this and I provided that answer.

It is up to the government to decide if this is a violation of their policy. I just wonder sometimes if anyone reads the news besides me, it seems alot of this back and forth arguing could be curtailed if they did.

But then maybe y'all get enjoyment out of it, I don't know.

Here is another take:

Marines Concerned About Secret Bible Verses on Guns - ABC News

As to the scriptures not being known by the buyer, that is the buyer's problem not the vendor, believe me many do know the verses were there.

So if there is an issue here it is with the government not doing its research on the product they are using. The company was not putting the verses on just the sights being used by the military, the military purchased a product that has a verses on all of them, military use and non military use.

I have no problem with the government making decisions as to whether this product is what is best for our soldiers.

I also have no problem with this private vendor being able to express their personal beliefs. It is up to them to decide if they can get together, and actually only them.

 

[poppy]

As to why the company does this, this article explains that. Many companies are Christian based and put verses on their products. As the article says they are a private business and have as much right to do this as does any company putting a logo on their product.

If the government has a problem with it they have the right to either choose a new vendor or ask for a product that does not contain the verses. However any modification to the product will mean a deviation from their retail product, hence I would expect the cost to be higher. As to choosing another vendor this product is the best made, I guess we might want to ask the soldier in the field which he prefers.

Higher to leave a few letters off, I doubt it.

This was the reason I stopped buying Brim's products when I lived in Bartlett, Tn. They printed a Bible verse on every bag of chips, I didn't see the the need for it.

 

[scooterbug44]

Aside from the utter stupidity of this whole thing, is anyone else offended that their religious text is being used this way?

Don't know what they are preaching in other churches, but one of mine seriously sent me an email just this morning detailing the steps they are taking to promote the sanctity of life.

 

[Minnie]

Higher to leave a few letters off, I doubt it.

This was the reason I stopped buying Brim's products when I lived in Bartlett, Tn. They printed a Bible verse on every bag of chips, I didn't see the the need for it.

You don't have to see the need to it, and it is your right to not purchase them as much as it their right to put it on there.

As to the cost of sights yes it would cost more to the vendor. They would have to make new molds for this variation. They make all their sights with the verse. They would have to change their entire format to make a deviation.

I think what some of you are missing is this. I respect your right to think that this is unnecesssary, but do you respect the right of this vendor to think it is right.

You can not have it only your way.

 

[Minnie]

Aside from the utter stupidity of this whole thing, is anyone else offended that their religious text is being used this way?

Don't know what they are preaching in other churches, but one of mine seriously sent me an email just this morning detailing the steps they are taking to promote the sanctity of life.

Scooter are you upset they are at war or that they are at war with a gun sight with a bible verse on it.

With me I wish we were not there at all.

As to what they are preaching at my church, they are preaching about service to others, especially Haiti. My church and friends have been in Haiti for years, not trying to change their religious views as many are Catholic and we are Methodist, but to provide medical and humanitarian aid to the millions that are without.