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30ashopper

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Obama chooses political gains over climate change legislation

Climate change is much likelier to pass than immigration reform. For one thing, it's already passed the House. For another, Graham, Kerry, Lieberman and others have spent an extraordinary amount of time sounding out key legislators, business groups, advocacy organizations and pretty much everyone else with a loud voice or an important vote. This is going to be a hard bill to move, but they've spent months doing the hard work necessary to have a chance. (Whether the bill is a good bill worth moving is, I should say, another story entirely.)

The same cannot be said for immigration reform. The House has not considered legislation on the subject. There have not been endless stakeholder meetings or sessions with key legislators. Indeed, when I talk to people about the two issues, the difference is this: When people talk about climate change, they talk about passing a bill. When they talk about immigration reform, they talk about the electoral usefulness of bringing up the issue. In fact, I don't know of anyone who is not paid to be optimistic about an immigration bill passing who thinks that an immigration bill will pass.

And this is why Graham is angry: He's taken a huge risk to be the lone Republican on climate change. Patrick Creighton, a flack for the conservative Institute for Energy Research, says that Graham's involvement makes him "part of one of the most economically devastating pieces of legislation this country has ever seen, no more, no less." And now it looks like Democrats are going to leave that hanging there, moving to an immigration reform effort that won't pass but might split the Republican Party -- creating massive problems for pro-reform Republicans like, well, Lindsey Graham.

Ezra Klein - You wouldn't like Lindsey Graham when he's angry

Winning votes in November vs. saving the environment. Obama makes his pick.
 
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Geo

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So you're saying that if a president tries to push one bill forward that they like instead of another that they like that what now?

My hat is off to any politician who thinks for themselves and votes against their party line. Good for LG. But if Obama did the opposite for which you and the article criticize him there would be another article written stating that he did so cause he's playing politics.
 

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Yeah, the political climate is a crapshoot right now; you're right Geo. No one can win for losing.
 

30ashopper

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So you're saying that if a president tries to push one bill forward that they like instead of another that they like that what now?

My hat is off to any politician who thinks for themselves and votes against their party line. Good for LG. But if Obama did the opposite for which you and the article criticize him there would be another article written stating that he did so cause he's playing politics.

He can push climate change, which he has a reasonable chance of getting passed while the makeup of congress is the way it is, but likley take a hit next november because of it... or he can go with a bill that may provide political gains in november for his party but will likely never pass. Which would you choose Geo? Your party, or the environment?
 

Geo

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If Barry does one thing you'll slam him. If he does the other thing you'll slam him. If he does both things you'll slam him. If he does nothing you'll slam him. If he does the thing that seems to be the thing that you want him to do that is opposite what we'd think he wanted to do- you'll slam him.
 
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Geo

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which brings me to what I'd like to see- which is-

I wish he would do exactly what he believes is right and not give a crap what anyone thinks.

In another era (or dare I say if he had a different skin color in this era), folks would have viewed him as being more centrist and a POTUS who seeks compromise while making progress.
 
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Geo

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Which would you choose Geo? Your party, or the environment?

I do not personally pledge allegiance to a party. But back to Obama-

He didn't choose his party over the environment.

If I want a boat and season tickets for my favorite team. And my wife seems to be coming around on the idea of the boat, but I decide I am going to push on the season tickets before I buy the boat-

does that mean I stopped wanting the boat? Or that I am never going to buy one? I don't think it does.
 
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scooterbug44

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I think that (thanks to Arizona and teabaggers) immigration reform is a much more pressing issue than climate change, but also don't understand why they can't do both - especially since the two issues are at very different points legislatively. :dunno:
 

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well, while there may be a lot of political jockeying going on in the house & senate, the title of this thread is just ridiculous, imo.

both issues are important and I hope one isn't dropped for the other.

sounds like someone (graham) is a whiney tail. meanwhile, his own party is trying to ascertain his sexual orientation so I just read. its always something.

The word "Grahamnesty" is floated to around to describe his less-than-pure position on immigration. On top of that, he faces a bizarre and unseemly whisper campaign by state Tea Party activists about his sexual orientation.

the atlantic
 
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