Born in the USA

[scooterbug44]

I would like to hear commentary about the statistics I posted - how only 8% of babies are born to 1 or 2 illegal parents AND that the mothers in the vast majority of the cases have been in the country for years.

One of the greatest things about our country is that if you are born here you are a citizen. I don't want to change that just because other issues and the standard bad economy racism (this happens in every bad economy and the rhetoric and "concerns" don't change, just the group) make it an easy political target.

It seems like lately most of our political discussions, regardless of topic keep circling back to a lack of enforcement of laws we already have that address the issue and bad policies (written or unwritten) that are costing us all $$$.

I think we need to tackle the real issues of concern, not change the Constitution and deny citizenship.

Why are places providing non-emergency health care to illegals? Why are employers so willing to help them dodge the laws (because they then dodge taxes too and get slave labor in some cases)? How can people live here for years "illegally" yet still get all of these services that "legal" people have to provide a crapload of paperwork to receive? A crackdown on that like we are cracking down on security and deportation is the solution.

We have rules and laws - so make everybody follow them!

 

[Alicia Leonard]

So then you're saying that you'd either

A) prefer not to have to provide information at the clinic like the illegal
B) prefer that the illegal be required to provide information at the clinic like everyone else

Am I with you?

I would prefer that both women were treated the same. Period, no matter what that clinic decided that treatment should be, and that is not the way it is done from my experience of working with low income mothers.

 

[Mango]

We should just ask Bruce Springsteen his take on the matter. I mean, he did write the song.

 

[30A Skunkape]

this neer do well determined some time ago those protesting the loudest were lacking mellanin. the gentle epiphany happened to me some time ago, tv remote in hand, fully involved in the afterglow of pacifico and refritos. the channel was stuck on flocks news, and rachel maddow was being burned in effigy by heathens raised on meat loaf. i could feel the anguish of the pasty people, whose perspiring pink foreheads only hinted at the frustration of not ever having experienced ritualistic carbo induced mid afternoon rem.

Glad that Bob's thinkyurt once again has it all figured out:roll:

The police said Saturday?s attack was at least the 10th instance in the past four months in which assailants, mostly young black men, have assaulted Mexican immigrants walking in Port Richmond, which has seen the number of Mexican residents climb sharply over the past two decades.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/nyregion/02staten.html

 

[Geo]

So are we saying that the attackers weren't racist because they weren't Caucasian?

 

[rapunzel]

For years Republicans refused to enforce immigration rules when cheap labor was needed to keep our economic engines overheating. Now that they need to create a red herring issue and gay marriage is losing it's outrage factor they are using this 14th amendment issue -- an amendment born of racism -- to provide cover for whipping up a little racism. It's a wedge issue, meant to divide. No one had a problem with this five years ago, when it was a much more pressing issue.

I ran across this, and it put some things into perspective. The least among us are the easiest to use as a wedge...and they are also found in great numbers serving in our armed forces.

CNN profiled seven Silver Star recipients in Afghanistan -- the third highest military award for battlefield valor. Look at the surnames:

Gonzales
Roland
Pinilla
Gould
Bocanegra
Clouse
Nunez

Nunez died saving the lives of his fellow soldiers.

Daily Kos: Look at the surnames

 

[poppy]

Is this being considered because folks have an issue with all the Caucasian Canadians who come here illegally? I'm under the impression the issue folks have is with Latinos. I've never personally heard anyone beotch about illegals who were Asian or Dutch.

No Geo, I think it's because conservatives are realizing that Obama really was born in Hawaii and their irrational fear is so great they are trying their best to change the 14th admendment to prevent someone who doesn't look exactly like them from ever being elected President again.

 

[LuciferSam]

No Geo, I think it's because conservatives are realizing that Obama really was born in Hawaii and their irrational fear is so great they are trying their best to change the 14th admendment to prevent someone who doesn't look exactly like them from ever being elected President again.

Can't wait til the day when we have a president of Mexican descent named Jesus.

 

[Jesus]

Can't wait til the day when we have a president of Mexican descent named Jesus.

Like that would ever happened.

 

[30A Skunkape]

No Geo, I think it's because conservatives are realizing that Obama really was born in Hawaii and their irrational fear is so great they are trying their best to change the 14th admendment to prevent someone who doesn't look exactly like them from ever being elected President again.

Are you sure you can handle 10 million (pick your estimate of the numbers) Catholics unleashed upon your country? Kinda scary, isn't it?