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I really do not think that is the case. I think people do not want to be told what to believe in or judged for their beliefs. Religion tends to draw on "fear" and so do "politicians". When you put those two together it will incite emotions they have the potential for extremism. What do you think Rick will pray about? The end of the world or a better world? Giving thanks to God or thanks for voting for him? His public purpose is insincere (IMO). If he wants to pray privately well then that is more appropriate for the purpose. This does not have to pit religion and non religion against each other. There should be a place for all beliefs in society. That is what liberty and freedom are all about. If you do not keep this private then it will create judgements between members of society and then what? Fear then war then hell...

Oh, so Mr. Perry can practice his religion as he chooses in PRIVATE. But you object to him publicly practicing his religion as his conscience directs him. I guess these words mean nothing to you: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
I guess in your opinion there is a place for all belief systems except Mr. Perry's.
 

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Some people want to go further and have freedom from the existence of the Christian religion.

I think this often-heard squeal is a complete & total Red Herring.
Out of 350 million Americans, there can't be more than a handful that really would want to put Christianity out of existence.
90% of Americans are Christians.
Nevertheless, some of these 90% are constantly whining that they are somehow "under attack."
They say there's a "War on Christmas," a "War on Easter,"...
If I say "Happy Holidays" to my Jewish or Muslim friends, I'm somehow part of the "War on Christmas."
If a merchant or corporation posts "Happy Holidays" signs in an attempt to be inclusive, they're part of the "War on Christmas," which is part, of course, of the "War on Christianity."
Please, give up your whining until Christians fall from 90% of the population to 49%.
 
I think this often-heard squeal is a complete & total Red Herring.
Out of 350 million Americans, there can't be more than a handful that really would want to put Christianity out of existence.
90% of Americans are Christians.
Nevertheless, some of these 90% are constantly whining that they are somehow "under attack."
They say there's a "War on Christmas," a "War on Easter,"...
If I say "Happy Holidays" to my Jewish or Muslim friends, I'm somehow part of the "War on Christmas."
If a merchant or corporation posts "Happy Holidays" signs in an attempt to be inclusive, they're part of the "War on Christmas," which is part, of course, of the "War on Christianity."
Please, give up your whining until Christians fall from 90% of the population to 49%.

Nobody is whining except liberals who are "offended" by a privately sponsored prayer meeting. I could care less how you address people during the holidays or if you celebrate at all. But don't try and prohibit me from practicing my religion as I choose.
90% of the controversy about these matters is caused by the 10% who want to dictate to the rest of us. I don't see many lawsuits brought by Christians to stop the minority from doing what they want, the lawsuits are always filed by the whiners on the left.
 

PearlSB4U

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Depending on the poll, only 60-75% percent of Americans identify themselves as Christian.

In my rant, I said "90%" without looking it up; I just wanted to indicate a "large majority,"--but I should have looked it up--Thx.

An ABC poll says: "Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and a smattering of individual mentions."

Whether it's 83% or 75% or 60% or whatever, I'm just tired of hearing that there's a concerted "war" on Christianity or that any significant no. of people want to eliminate that religion altogether, when it's not true.
For the most part, even militant atheists would not "outlaw" or "eliminate" any religion or sect.
They might wish their fellow humans had different worldviews, but wouldn't go so far as to outlaw etc.

I've just decided to start challenging statements like, "Some people want to go further and have freedom from the existence of the Christian religion." Statements like this want us to interpret "some people" to mean "a significant number of determined people," when it's just not true.

Christians are not "embattled" in this country--in fact, they have the lions' share of the wealth & power.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beliefnet_poll_010718.html
 

Gidget

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Houston Clergy Council opposes Perry’s prayer rally

Gov. Rick Perry’s upcoming prayer event has concerned progressive Christian leaders in Houston, who have written a letter criticizing the governor for excluding non-Christians, partnering with an anti-gay group and blurring boundaries between church and state.
“We ask that Rick Perry leave the ministry to us and refocus his energy on the work of governing our state,” the Houston Clergy Council wrote in a letter signed by 24 local leaders, many of them Unitarian Universalists or members of other denominations that welcome GLBT Christians.
“We wanted to let people know that there are people of faith who have different stances than Gov. Perry. Often the only faith that gets covered is the religious right,” said Rev. Becky Edmiston-Lange, of Emerson Unitarian Universalist Church. “We are clergy persons who support the rights of all people, no matter who they love or how they worship.”
They argue that the nature of Perry’s event, scheduled for Aug. 6 at Reliant Stadium, does not fit with Houston’s religious diversity.
Their criticisms echo a chorus of concerned groups, including the Houston GLBT Political Caucus, the Houston chapter of the Council of American-Islamic relations and the Interfaith Alliance. About 300 Texans plan to protest the event, and the Houston Clergy Council may schedule a pro-tolerance speaker as counter-programming to Perry’s Christian-centric message.
Houston’s biggest evangelical megachurches– Lakewood Church, Second Baptist and Houston’s First Baptist– have applauded Perry’s efforts to draw national attention to the need for prayer. Only one other governor has committed to join Perry at the event.
The Houston Clergy Council’s letter, released this week, reads:
As Houston clergy, we write to express our deep concern over Governor Rick Perry’s proclamation of a day of prayer and fasting at Houston’s Reliant Stadium on August 6th. In our role as faith leaders, we encourage and support prayer, meditation, and spiritual practice. Yet our governor’s religious event gives us pause for a number of reasons:
We believe in a healthy boundary between church and state. Out of respect for the state, we believe that it should represent all citizens equally and without preference for religious or philosophical tradition. Out of respect for religious communities, we believe that they should foster faithful ways of living without favoring one political party over another. Keeping the church and state separate allows each to thrive and upholds our proud national tradition of empowering citizens to worship freely and vote conscientiously. We are concerned that our governor has crossed the line by organizing and leading a religious event rather than focusing on the people’s business in Austin.
We also express concern that the day of prayer and fasting at Reliant Stadium is not an inclusive event. As clergy leaders in the nation’s fourth largest city, we take pride in Houston’s vibrant and diverse religious landscape. Our religious communities include Bahais, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Unitarian Universalists, and many other faith traditions. Our city is also home to committed agnostics and atheists, with whom we share common cause as fellow Houstonians. Houston has long been known as a “live and let live” city, where all are respected and welcomed. It troubles us that the governor’s prayer event is not open to everyone. In the publicized materials, the governor has made it clear that only Christians of a particular kind are welcome to pray in a certain way. We feel that such an exclusive event does not reflect the rich tapestry of our city.
Our deepest concern, however, lies in the fact that funding for this event appears to come from the American Family Association, an organization labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The American Family Association and its leadership have a long track record of anti-gay speech and have actively worked to discriminate against the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender community. The American Family Association and its leadership have also been stridently anti-Muslim, going so far as to question the rights of Muslim Americans to freely organize and practice their faith. We believe it is inappropriate for our governor to organize a religious event funded by a group known for its discriminatory stances.
As religious leaders, we commit to join with all Houstonians in working to make our city a better place. We will lead our communities in prayer, meditation, and spiritual practice. We ask that Rick Perry leave the ministry to us and refocus his energy on the work of governing our state.
 

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I wanted to show that the people who are not Christian make up a significant portion of our population - despite what many would like us to think.

So elected officials promoting Christian events or trying to pass Christian laws is a big concern.
 

LuciferSam

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What shackles? If you do not like Mr.Perry's brand of religion then do not attend his rally. If you are shacked by this rally it is self-imposed.

I'm talking about religion in general. it shackles us to a primitive obsolete world view that contaminates our laws and educational system among other things. Despite my feelings, I wouldn't want to outlaw religion any more than I would want to outlaw astrology or fortune telling.
 
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