It's the problem dealing with elitist, progressives. They start the conversation completely certain that they are more intelligent than you, more progressive than you, and not the knuckle dragging, racist, redneck, homophobe that you must be if you vote for R's. However, if you approach this as them being squeaky toys to have some fun with, it makes the whole exercise that much more enjoyable. No one is being converted here. It's just a bunch of sh** talking at the bar. Absolutely. I'm having fun here. If it's becomes too serious, I'll go hang out at another bar or just stare into my beer. It isn't like I'd ever sit down for a beer with a Christian basher like poppy in real life.