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[PoppaJ]

I want to thank Lou for pushing me to refrain from emotional response, and to employ determined logic to understanding this case. I really love logic. I think I have a really good grasp of this case now.

We should recall how this was made public, it wasn’t the FBI or DOJ it was Russia’s Agent Orange whining on his social media site.
Only after his extensive lying did they respond to set the record straight. Of course by that time the “Back the Blue,” “Law and Order” republicans had already circled the propaganda wagons and the MAGA cult was at full level Code Orange.

Here is a timeline of the event:

A timeline of the investigation into Trump's Mar-a-Lago docs

WASHINGTON (AP) — The search of former President Donald Trump' s Mar-a-Lago club for classified documents and other government records may have come as a surprise to the public.

apnews.com

 

[PoppaJ]

Are they gonna have ice cream, I love ice cream with my entertainment. I hope someone fake cries, they are the best

Nothing has been proven false and no one has come forward to counter anything that has been exposed by this committee.
Not only have open invitations been ignored but so have subpoenas.
The only thing trump and the chickenshit MAGA/republicans will do is whine and lie on right wing media.
Get back to us when someone with balls shows up.

 

[PoppaJ]

I want to thank Lou for pushing me to refrain from emotional response, and to employ determined logic to understanding this case. I really love logic. I think I have a really good grasp of this case now.

Young Lou

 

[mputnal]

He is just the most phenomenal President in the history of world. He is terrific. He is great. The best President in the Universe.

Okay now we can get down to the meat of the matter.

He won a huge election against a tyrant.
He provided stability for our Democracy that was under attack.
He provided leadership during the Pandemic that certainly helped.
He has helped pass legislation that will help protect children and police.
He has helped pass legislation that will help our failing infrastructure.
He has helped pass legislation that will help reduce the effects of climate change.
He has helped pass legislation that may help with inflation. Economic growth and inflation are proportional. This is very complex and related to global demand and supply markets.
He has helped stabilize gas prices at the pump.
He has stabilized (as opposed to normalize) our threat of a recession during Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Is this enough or do you need more?

You can disagree and complain and hate Joe Biden all you want but the man gets things done. There is a lot more to do and I hope he stays healthy enough to continue with what he has accomplished already. Yes he is an old man just like you and I will be one day. I hope you are half the man Joe Biden is at his age. I hope I am half the man Joe Biden is at his age. I know what you think because you have made it clear. I think if you were an honest man not weakened by your own ego you would have to give Biden some credit. If that happened I might agree with some of your generic solutions for this country like taxes, spending, immigration reform, campaign finance reform and term limits for politicians. However that is not who you are. You are a closed minded person. Mind made up and not going to change or listen to anything but your pathetic sources of information. It is a shame because I know we can do better at listening and learning to two sides of an argument. One thing we probably both agree on this conversation is NOT productive at all...

 

[PoppaJ]

I didn't know that was the standard, if that was the case Trump was phenomenal because he's had the left on tilt your years, the TDS is rampant

Maybe it’s a liberal thing, but I get pissed when an American president blackmails foreign leaders, takes the side of Russia over the US, foments violence, encourages an insurrection, steals our nations top secrets, and who knows WTF else will be exposed.
The real question should be why are you MAGAs more loyal to a man than your country?

 

[PoppaJ]

trump believes this is what a savvy genius does

Investigating teams reported evidence of executions, torture and sexual violence in civilian areas

Russia has committed war crimes in Ukraine, say UN investigators

Investigating teams reported evidence of executions, torture and sexual violence in civilian areas

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Lou Deman]

To your first point, the Special Master was requested, by Trump, to prove that he had the right to own the docs. That is precisely what the SM ordered Trump to do: put up your argument as to why you have just cause to own the documents. Otherwise, it is Theft. I'm not sure I can make it more clear to you than that. Just because he "declassifed" the docs (your premise) does not make the leap that he owns them. (Doesn't it seem logical that the DHS would still need them to be safe and secure?)

As to your last point, this is my analysis on an online message board. Of course, the matter will be decided in the courts. But on this message board, considering the preponderance of documented evidence, people who still persist to label this a "political stunt" and claim the Search was a "pre-dawn raid" and claim it is his right to store sensitive documents in a night club are condoning espionage. Again, only in the morality of an online discussion, not in a legal sense.

I am sorry but I am not gonna say anyone is guilty of anything without knowing it as truth. Even if 99.99% of the population wants it to be true that does not make it true, I'm not sure I can make that any clearer for you. I never said he declassified whatever he had I said he had the right to do so while he was in office. Yes it does seem logical

Your last paragraph is all your opinion, which you are entitled to

 

[Lou Deman]

Nothing has been proven false and no one has come forward to counter anything that has been exposed by this committee.
Not only have open invitations been ignored but so have subpoenas.
The only thing trump and the chickenshit MAGA/republicans will do is whine and lie on right wing media.
Get back to us when someone with balls shows up.

Its only a hearing in name if no one represents the other side

 

[PoppaJ]

Its only a hearing in name if no one represents the other side

What “other side” is there except the one that refuses to show up.
That does not negate the evidence and facts presented. If trump and the republicans truly had a viable argument they would present it.
The only group stupid enough to buy your statement are other deniers.
Not presenting a defense does not prove innocence. It just shows you have no defense.

 

[PoppaJ]

Between trump and his traitor tots it’s going to be interesting to see who throws who under the bus first. My bet is trump makes the first move and throws his kids under.