A most coherent observation of the Election

[Leader of the Banned]

This was a terrible time to vote third party in Florida if you thought Trump was a much worse candidate than Hillary. It's a meaningless empty gesture.

 

[happy2Bme]

The takeout from this is that the Electoral College methodology should be abolished so that one vote equals one vote. But, one can't self-servingly expect that to be retroactive.

Then, may the best candidate, truly selected by "the people", be the victor.

 

[Lake View Too]

Bob, the whole notion of a third party is wrong thinking. Just using pure logic, in a three way race, if one party gets the most votes, there are still 2/3 of the voters disenfranchised. Doesn't anybody understand this? The only way to implement change is a totally robust effort in the primary of the existing parties. Trump showed that this can be done. He just had to con the deplorables to do it.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

And then to be able sit back and smugly exclaim, "don't blame me, it's not my fault, I voted 3rd party. I feel so good about myself"

Yeah, but you just screwed yourself. "oh, yes, and it feels soooo good"

 

[Bob Wells]

Bob, the whole notion of a third party is wrong thinking. Just using pure logic, in a three way race, if one party gets the most votes, there are still 2/3 of the voters disenfranchised. Doesn't anybody understand this? The only way to implement change is a totally robust effort in the primary of the existing parties. Trump showed that this can be done. He just had to con the deplorables to do it.

Sorry, but the current system isnt cutting it and a change has to be made. Had Sanders not been screwed, IMO, in the primaries I might have felt different. Had he run as a 3rd party candidate the whole election may have been different. I respect your veiw and passion but on this we will have to strongly agree to disagree.

 

[Lake View Too]

Again, I am curious how a third party would even be able to govern, since they would have absolutely no allies in the Congress. I am truly not against a major change, for the better, but in truly has to happen within the structure of the existing parties. I just couldn't back Sanders because of lack of foreign policy. Just throwing this out: perhaps Biden and Bernie Sanders could unite under common grounds...

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Interesting take on rural America and coastal elites. It's like we have the soft bigotry of low expectations for the working class.

I’m a Coastal Elite From the Midwest: The Real Bubble is Rural America

To pin this election on the coastal elite is a cop-out. It’s intellectually dishonest, and it’s beneath us.

We, as a culture, have to stop infantilizing and deifying rural and white working-class Americans. Their experience is not more of a real American experience than anyone else’s, but when we say that it is, we give people a pass from seeing and understanding more of their country. More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive.

We must start asking all Americans to be their better selves. We must all understand that America is a melting pot and that none of us has a more authentic American experience.

If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man accused of violating the Fair Housing Act by refusing to rent apartments to black people. If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man who called Mexicans rapists, drug dealers and criminals. If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man who called for a complete ban on Muslim immigration.

- See more at: I’m a Coastal Elite From the Midwest: The Real Bubble is Rural America

 

[PoppaJ]

The takeout from this is that the Electoral College methodology should be abolished so that one vote equals one vote. But, one can't self-servingly expect that to be retroactive.

Then, may the best candidate, truly selected by "the people", be the victor.

The electoral college was designed to prevent an unqualified charismatic tyrant from being elected President. It just failed miserably.

 

[Bob]

Bob, the whole notion of a third party is wrong thinking. Just using pure logic, in a three way race, if one party gets the most votes, there are still 2/3 of the voters disenfranchised. Doesn't anybody understand this? The only way to implement change is a totally robust effort in the primary of the existing parties. Trump showed that this can be done. He just had to con the deplorables to do it.

Yes, my wrong thinking is your wrong thinking. You endorse the corrupt status quo by rationalizing it's the better of 2 choices. I say let the 2 parties take it between the eyes, until they listen to voters. The problem spans both traditional parties. The primaries were corrupted by the Dems(Hillary was pre-baked), and Trump nuked the entire Republican Party by showing their disconnect. My vote did far more good than business as usual. The people of this country have been raped by our own leadership.

 

[Bob]

The electoral college was designed to prevent an unqualified charismatic tyrant from being elected President. It just failed miserably.

No, it was not designed for that purpose. We've had Presidents elected with far less than half the vote(Clinton), and we've had Presidents elected by the Supreme Court(GW), and deals struck in smokey rooms(Rutherford Hayes).