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TripleB

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Jul 15, 2006
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There's whiskey out there older than the only 150 years we've been pumping oil out of the ground to burn in the atmosphere. This has all happened in the last few generations. War for oil does it for me. There's got to be a better way. Trying to micro-manage the Middle East is not our government's highest calling, is it?
Domestic off-shore drilling?
 

ecopal

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Apr 26, 2005
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While man-made Global Warming is well accepted among most scientists
there is still credible debate on "whether" it contributes to stronger hurricanes.

See article below for a ?chilling? prediction.

International Herald Tribune

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/01/europe/EU-GEN-France-Climate-Change-Hurricanes.php

Panel: Global warming makes stronger hurricanes

The Associated Press
Thursday, February 1, 2007
PARIS

Global warming has made stronger hurricanes, including those in the Atlantic Ocean such as 2005's Katrina, an authoritative panel on climate change has concluded for the first time, participants in the deliberations said Thursday.

During marathon meetings in Paris, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change approved language that said an increase in hurricane and tropical cyclone strength since 1970 "more likely than not" can be attributed to man-made global warming, according to Leonard Fields, of Barbados, and Cedric Nelom, of Suriname.

In its last report in 2001, the same panel had said there was not enough evidence to make such a conclusion.

"It is very important" that the language is so strong this time, said Fields, whose eastern Caribbean island is on the path of many hurricanes. "Insurance companies watch the language too."

The panel did note that the increase in stronger storms differs in various parts of the globe, but that the storms that strike the Americas are global warming-influenced, according to another participant.

Fields said that the report notes that most of the changes have been seen in the North Atlantic.

The report ? scheduled to be released Friday morning ? is also a marked departure from a November 2006 statement by the World Meteorological Organization, which helped found the IPCC.

The meteorological organization, after contentious debate, said it could not link past stronger storms to global warming. The debate about whether stronger hurricanes can be linked to global warming has been dividing a scientific community that is otherwise largely united in agreeing that global warming is human-made and a problem.

Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Kerry Emanuel, who pioneered much of the research linking global warming to an uptick in hurricane strength, looked at the original language in an IPCC draft and called it "a pretty strong statement."

"I think we've seen a pretty clear signal in the Atlantic," Emanuel said. The increase in Atlantic hurricane strength "is so beautifully correlated with sea surface there can't be much doubt that there's a relationship with sea surface temperature."

But U.S. National Hurricane Center scientist Christopher Landsea has long disagreed with that premise. While he would not comment on the IPCC decision, Landsea pointed to the meteorological organization's statement last fall.
 

Bob

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Domestic off-shore drilling?
That sounds like a dare. How about, get this, cause it's really, really radical. How about we try to use something other than Texas Tea that washes up on beaches from time to time. Here's a really wacked out idea. Maybe we take the 5 billion a month spent replicating Vietnam without the humidity and put the money in R and D for a renewable energy source. We will just go over to the Middle East and bomb when NASCAR runs dry from time to time.
 

John R

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Dec 31, 2005
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...earning more than $75,000 every minute of 2006... awesome.

...Maybe we take the 5 billion a month spent replicating Vietnam without the humidity and put the money in R and D for a renewable energy source...

or, teacher salaries, or insurance for all of us, or paying off the our credit holders, or anything but the "war".
 

drunkkenartist

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Dec 12, 2006
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www.drunkkenart.com
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Watch "Iraq for Sale; The War Profiteers"
Actually watch it, don't go by heresay, as some seem to be doing about An Inconvenient Truth. It'll p*ss you off royally.

By the way, AIT is over 30 years worth of research of a billion years or so worth of evidence.

But of course the Holocaust never happened either. Just a hoax.

"It'll be a fine day when our schools have all the money they need for books, supplies, proper teacher salaries, and the Air Force has to have a bake sale to buy F-16s."
 
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TripleB

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TripleB

Beach Fanatic
Jul 15, 2006
572
3
65
Huntsville, AL
While man-made Global Warming is well accepted among most scientists
there is still credible debate on "whether" it contributes to stronger hurricanes.

See article below for a ?chilling? prediction.

International Herald Tribune

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/01/europe/EU-GEN-France-Climate-Change-Hurricanes.php

Panel: Global warming makes stronger hurricanes

The Associated Press
Thursday, February 1, 2007
PARIS

Global warming has made stronger hurricanes, including those in the Atlantic Ocean such as 2005's Katrina, an authoritative panel on climate change has concluded for the first time, participants in the deliberations said Thursday.

During marathon meetings in Paris, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change approved language that said an increase in hurricane and tropical cyclone strength since 1970 "more likely than not" can be attributed to man-made global warming, according to Leonard Fields, of Barbados, and Cedric Nelom, of Suriname.

In its last report in 2001, the same panel had said there was not enough evidence to make such a conclusion.

"It is very important" that the language is so strong this time, said Fields, whose eastern Caribbean island is on the path of many hurricanes. "Insurance companies watch the language too."

The panel did note that the increase in stronger storms differs in various parts of the globe, but that the storms that strike the Americas are global warming-influenced, according to another participant.

Fields said that the report notes that most of the changes have been seen in the North Atlantic.

The report ? scheduled to be released Friday morning ? is also a marked departure from a November 2006 statement by the World Meteorological Organization, which helped found the IPCC.

The meteorological organization, after contentious debate, said it could not link past stronger storms to global warming. The debate about whether stronger hurricanes can be linked to global warming has been dividing a scientific community that is otherwise largely united in agreeing that global warming is human-made and a problem.

Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Kerry Emanuel, who pioneered much of the research linking global warming to an uptick in hurricane strength, looked at the original language in an IPCC draft and called it "a pretty strong statement."

"I think we've seen a pretty clear signal in the Atlantic," Emanuel said. The increase in Atlantic hurricane strength "is so beautifully correlated with sea surface there can't be much doubt that there's a relationship with sea surface temperature."

But U.S. National Hurricane Center scientist Christopher Landsea has long disagreed with that premise. While he would not comment on the IPCC decision, Landsea pointed to the meteorological organization's statement last fall.
Regarding the part of the quote "While man-made global warming is accepted among most scientist....", where is the data that ever has suggested that? Most of the articles linked on this thread refer to scientific data suggesting that the Earth is indeed warming, not that man is the cause. I ask again, what has cause the Earth to warm in the past. Are you saying this is the first time it has happened? Does the Sun also gone through warming and cooling activity? Do ya thing that maybe it might have something to do with warming and cooling patterns of the Earth? Just a few questions from someone who doesn't listen to NPR.
 

ecopal

Beach Fanatic
Apr 26, 2005
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"Mankind to blame for global warming say scientists"

Fri Feb 2, 2007 3:32 PM ET
REUTERS

By Gerard Wynn and Alister Doyle

PARIS (Reuters) - Mankind is to blame for global warming, the world's top climate scientists said on Friday, sending governments a "crystal clear" warning they must take urgent action to avert damage that could last for centuries.

The United Nations panel, which groups 2,500 scientists from more than 130 nations, predicted more droughts, heatwaves and a slow gain in sea levels that could continue for more than 1,000 years even if greenhouse gas emissions were capped.

The panel's report predicts a "best estimate" that temperatures would rise by between 1.8 and 4.0 Celsius (3.2 and 7.8 Fahrenheit) in the 21st century.

"Faced with this emergency, now is not the time for half measures. It is the time for a revolution, in the true sense of the term," French President Jacques Chirac said. "We are in truth on the historical doorstep of the irreversible."

The scientists said it was "very likely" -- or more than 90 percent probable -- that human activities led by burning fossil fuels explained most of the warming in the past 50 years.

That is a toughening from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) last report in 2001, which judged a link as "likely", or 66 percent probable.

Extreme weather may be becoming more frequent. Fourteen people died in storms and at least one tornado in central Florida on Friday. Other possible signs include drought in Australia or record high winter temperatures in Europe.

Many governments, U.N. agencies and environmental groups urged a widening of the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, which binds 35 industrial nations to cut emissions by 2012 but excludes top emitters led by the United States, China and India.

"The signal we've received from the scientists today is crystal clear and it's important that the political response is also crystal clear," said Yvo de Boer, head of the U.N. Climate Secretariat.

GREEN SUMMIT

He wants an emergency environment summit of world leaders this year to push for wider action. Kyoto has been weakened since the United States pulled out in 2001 and emissions by many backers of Kyoto are far above target.

The Bush administration played down the U.S. contribution to climate change even though the country is the biggest single source of greenhouse gases, with a quarter of the world total.

"We are a small contributor when you look at the rest of the world," U.S. Energy Secretary Sam Bodman said of greenhouse gas emissions after the IPCC report. "It's really got to be a global discussion."

A 21-page summary of IPCC findings for policy makers outlines wrenching change such as a possible melting of Arctic sea ice in summers by 2100 and says it is "more likely than not" that greenhouse gases have made tropical cyclones more intense.

The report projects a rise in sea levels of between 18 and 59 centimeters (7 and 23 inches) in the 21st century -- and said bigger gains cannot be ruled out if ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland thaw.

Rising seas threaten low-lying islands, coasts of countries such as Bangladesh and cities from Shanghai to Buenos Aires.

Temperatures rose 0.7 degrees in the 20th century and the 10 hottest years since records began in the 1850s have been since 1994. Greenhouse gases are released mainly by burning fossil fuels in power plants, factories and cars.

President Bush says Kyoto-style caps would harm the economy and that Kyoto should include developing nations. His policies will brake the growth of emissions but stop short of caps favored by most of his industrial allies.

Democrats who control both houses of Congress want tougher action.

The president of Kiribati, a group of 33 Pacific coral atolls threatened by rising seas, said time was running out.

"The question is, what can we do now? There's very little we can do about arresting the process," President Anote Tong said.

"There is no single solution," the International Energy Agency said. It wants more energy savings, more renewable energy, nuclear power and efforts to make fossil fuels cleaner.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.
aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2007-02-02T203228Z_
01_L01923284_RTRUKOC_0_US-GLOBALWARMING-WRAP.xml
 

danhall

Beach Lover
Jul 14, 2006
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danhallstudio.com
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2004399,00.html

The contents of the IPCC report have been an open secret since the Bush administration posted its draft copy on the internet in April. It says there is a 90% chance that human activity is warming the planet, and that global average temperatures will rise by another 1.5 to 5.8C this century, depending on emissions.
Lord Rees of Ludlow, the president of the Royal Society, Britain's most prestigious scientific institute, said: "The IPCC is the world's leading authority on climate change and its latest report will provide a comprehensive picture of the latest scientific understanding on the issue. It is expected to stress, more convincingly than ever before, that our planet is already warming due to human actions, and that 'business as usual' would lead to unacceptable risks, underscoring the urgent need for concerted international action to reduce the worst impacts of climate change. However, yet again, there will be a vocal minority with their own agendas who will try to suggest otherwise."



--There you go, TripleB. There is a 90% chance that this problem falls at the foot of mankind. There is the statistic, and now I look forward to your cleverest, most dismissive response yet.
 
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