Are permits still required for seawall construction???

[Nature Lover]

I really like Florida Girl! I could not have said it better myself, each time I read your replies I was cheering you on.

Also looking out for your neighbor is one thing, but taking pictures and posting them on an obvious accidental situation is over the top. If you want to check on the legitimacy of the work & permits, fine. But don't take pictures of a unfortunate situation and a poor worker, and post them and then open it up to ridicule.

Seawalls are meant to stop land erosion. That is a good thing, I thought. It looks like they have the required fencing up, also.

 

[Smiling JOe]

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Also looking out for your neighbor is one thing, but taking pictures and posting them on an obvious accidental situation is over the top. ...

Seawalls are meant to stop land erosion. That is a good thing, I thought. It looks like they have the required fencing up, also.

I guess you didn't bother to read my posts in the other thread regarding this issue, nor the multiple threads on seawalls in SoWal.

Having the track hoe in the Bay was not an accident, unless the kid really didn't know how to operate the yellow equipment.

 

[Smiling JOe]

I guess some developer failed to read the following part of the Walton County Comprehensive Plan, pertaining to seawalls along the Bay.

"Policy C-3.1.1: New seawalls and upland retaining walls along Choctawhatchee Bay for existing lots of record in residential subdivisions shall be permitted in accordance with shoreline stabilization programs for the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Newly platted subdivision lots along Choctawhatchee Bay must be of sufficient depth to meet the 50' buffering requirement of Policy C- 3.2.1.b. These newly platted lots are allowed to have upland retaining walls built landward of the mean high water line; however, new seawalls and new bulkheads are not allowed.16"

 

[John R]

I really like Florida Girl! I could not have said it better myself, each time I read your replies I was cheering you on.

Each time i read your posts, I realized you must be nowhere near here to be making the assertions you do. How did you stumble across the fact that Smiling JOe has a seawall? Did you drive by his inland lot and see it?

Also looking out for your neighbor is one thing, but taking pictures and posting them on an obvious accidental situation is over the top. If you want to check on the legitimacy of the work & permits, fine. But don't take pictures of a unfortunate situation and a poor worker, and post them and then open it up to ridicule.

So is looking out for one's community. Yes, the person and the machine in the water is the result of an accident. The situation surrounding it is no accident. If you were aware of the other threads on this subject you may have possibly appeared a little more informed before you posted. I applaud his documentation of this backdoor type of work via the developers agent. FYI, there is no trespassing going on, the development is open to all for possible real estate purchase.

...It looks like they have the required fencing up, also.

yes, after the stop work order was posted. BTW, the turbidity fence is now floating loose. for more info please go here.
in your own words...get real.

FWIW, I lived on the property the photos were taken from since before this development was begun years ago, and therefore believe I'm capable of making informed posts regarding this project.

 

[Jdarg]

I was under the impression that the backhoe didn't fall into the bay- it was already in the shallows scooping up debris along the shore. I guess we could call it an accident that it got stuck?

 

[florida girl]

You, not I, brought up school buses.

To the best of my knowledge, a track hoe in the Bay is not normal. To help you define "normal," I ask, how many track hoes have you seen in the Bay? The authorities were aware of the situation, only after they were originally called, and they issued a Stop Work Order.

I sure hope my neighbors are concerned with the community, if anything like my house catches fire, my dogs run away, a thief is breaking in, etc. I guess on your street, you would rather hope the neighbors don't pay attention.

Actually, I've seen a lot of what we call a "drag line" or "back hoe". They were used to dig the canals down here to drain off the stagnat water in many areas. "Mosquito Control"! Being concerned, and being a busybody are 2 different things. One involves the health and safety of a human being, the other involves a perceived code that differs in importance depending on the culture you are comfortable with.

 

[Smiling JOe]

Actually, I've seen a lot of what we call a "drag line" or "back hoe". They were used to dig the canals down here to drain off the stagnat water in many areas. "Mosquito Control"! Being concerned, and being a busybody are 2 different things. One involves the health and safety of a human being, the other involves a perceived code that differs in importance depending on the culture you are comfortable with.

So a "busy body" is one who is concerned for the environment, while a concerned person is one who is concerned for the health and safety of a human. That is interesting to learn. What else can you teach us?

FYI- a "track hoe" has tracks, and a "back hoe" has wheels. Track hoes have more the ability to not get stuck in many places where a back hoe would get stuck.

 

[florida girl]

So a "busy body" is one who is concerned for the environment, while a concerned person is one who is concerned for the health and safety of a human. That is interesting to learn. What else can you teach us?

FYI- a "track hoe" has tracks, and a "back hoe" has wheels. Track hoes have more the ability to not get stuck in many places where a back hoe would get stuck.

We called them a drag line. Funny, I didn't mention the environment, does it have feelings too?

 

[scooterbug44]

Sj, you're still a concerned neighbor/citizen instead of a busybody in my "percieved code" and "culture"!

 

[Smiling JOe]

Sj, you're still a concerned neighbor/citizen instead of a busybody in my "percieved code" and "culture"!

Thanks. I am busy, but I think of a "busy body" as someone who keeps notes on all the neighbors' coming and goings, who visited, when, what they were wearing, etc.

Back to the more important part, in the Code which I posted above, it states that no new seawalls were allowed to be built on the Bay. Did I miss where they changed that policy in the Code, and failed to update their policies in writing? How is this development building a seawall if they are not allowed? Just curious?