6thGen, glad to see you back. Its nice to have a breath of fresh air on this very leftist board. If not "fresh" at least a different approach and philosophy.
I just want to throw a few things in here, if they?ve already been addressed I?ll offer my apologies because I am not enough of a masochist to read through this thread.
1. Obama?s plan to sit down with leaders and confront them with honest conversation loses all credibility when he lacks either the conviction or backbone to stand up to his pastor and mentor.
2. Until we purge the Rev. Wrights? and Farrakhan?s and to a lesser extent the Jesse?s and Al?s, the same way we purged David Duke and Trent Lott, I don?t think we?ll be able to have an honest discussion about race.
3. Speaking of an honest discussion, the comments about Obama opening up the lines of communication are laughable. To paraphrase a few other authors, we?ve been having an honest discussion for years. Did anyone see Crash?
4. If we really want to pin the blame, we should blame Johnson for signing the Voting Rights Act, or at least Section 5, and Bush for signing to renew it. Emerging black politicians will continue to be handicapped by not having to appeal to the populace or white voters. Black Caucus replaces Black Caucus, and ?most black? wins. That formula doesn?t work in a general.
6thGen, glad to see you back. Its nice to have a breath of fresh air on this very leftist board. If not "fresh" at least a different approach and philosophy.
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cheese anyone?
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True, that cheese. I don't understand why people that criticize this board (and many of the people on it) continue to spend time reading and posting.![]()
I don't think AndyA was criticizing. I call All Things Considered on NPR leftist as a description, but love to listen anytime I'm in the car. Not bad - left leaning.
Okay here we go. I will respond to your points.
1. I think Obama has addressed the Revs comments. He gave a very honest speech on the topic. You also mistake his possible strategy. Perhaps it was politically prudent for him to align himself with this Rev.
Don't forget that he needs black votes and to hang this guy out to dry to appeal to the far right would lose him more votes than he would win.
To simplify for you: take the parallel of John McCain bashing Pat Robertson and Falwell and now flip flopping to support and even speak at Liberty University. He made the same political calculation that it would gain him more votes and people who are alienated by his about face were not going to vote for him anyway.
2. On your second point I am not sure what you mean by purge ? Kill? Ignore? I again assume you wish for the same for the Christian Right leaders who spew the same vitriolic hate. If your point is to remove the extremists on both sides then I would agree with you but it is not very likely to occur in a free society.
3. Not sure what your point is here. If you are comparing a Hollywood movie to a black man running for the Presidency giving a landmark speech on race in our country then I am not sure how to respond.
I am not sure you want to go down the road of using Hollywood offerings to defend your arguments.
4. I have to disagree again with you. I think even you would admit that Obama cannot win the White House without significant white voting support. If anything, I think the right wingers have not had to appeal to any minorities .
True, that cheese. I don't understand why people that criticize this board (and many of the people on it) continue to spend time reading and posting.![]()
For the same reason segrovegirl (who should be doing her taxes), sandybanks (of the bldg 7 thread) can't stay away and wants you to know he's "one of you guys/gals," and autograph seekers want autographs (from the Sheryl Crow siting thread). Connectedness. Oh, and they're 'dicted!![]()