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BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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Jun 20, 2005
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The realization of the public - recognizing that the real problem is beach chair vendors, has many discussions of immediate solutions. Much of Walton's shoreline will open up for public enjoyment as soon as chair problem is fixed.
As everyone knows, even Dave Rauschkolb agrees with that aspect. So why is it taking soooo long to implement a real remedy - eliminate vending on crowded public beaches?
 

FactorFiction

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Feb 18, 2016
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As everyone knows, even Dave Rauschkolb agrees with that aspect. So why is it taking soooo long to implement a real remedy - eliminate vending on crowded public beaches?

This year, the 3 locations (Inlet, Ed Walline, Grayton Beach) had a pilot program. It doesn't eliminate vending, but it does make it first come, first serve. My understanding is that next year, all of the regional accesses will have a managed vendor program. Of course, I tend to be hopeful, but will wait and see if that's actually implemented.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Reggie, here is some math. One percent of the population own about half of all available resources. The People are starting to complain. Exclusive use of the beach is not a good idea for beach front owners. The math is just not in your favor.
 

FactorFiction

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Feb 18, 2016
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Reggie, here is some math. One percent of the population own about half of all available resources. The People are starting to complain. Exclusive use of the beach is not a good idea for beach front owners. The math is just not in your favor.

mputnal, the math has never been in BPOs favor and the people have BEEN complaining. That isn't new. Based on your statement, I guess you believe that the beach is our only resource in Walton County. That's a sad perspective. Does the Bay count? Do the forests count? Does farmland or timberland count? Do Defuniak Springs and Freeport count? I think so and I hope you do, too.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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All resources are important and again 1 percent of human population own 50 percent of the world's available resources. This includes ALL other resources in Walton county including farmland and timberland and the Bay property. But this thread and this lawsuit is about the beach resource where tourism is King and the resource is spectacular. It is a misdirection to pivot to the other resources but I do understand your point. As I said earlier my family and I always go to a State Park when we go to the beach but a few weeks ago there was no parking places at Grayton Beach State Park. I put my family out at the access and then walked a good distance to "earn" my access to the beach I guess. The math will simply not support your exclusive use of the beach.

To continue the math, 99 percent of our population must share 50 percent of our resources. I understand why the 1 percent would rather this be about constitutional rights and property rights instead of accepting the sharing of the beach. In the history of mankind an unequal and unfair distribution of resources is not sustainable. Keeping The People divided is good for the 1 percent but it will not last. I predict CU support will grow into a storm of protest. The BPO math is too simple. This problem is exponentially more complex. It would be better for everyone if leaders on both sides step back and come to some compromises. Maybe some type of limited exclusion where BPO's have a reserved parking spot for their friends and family on the beach or something where everyone wins and no one loses...The End (my posts are nothing more than a fairy tale for hope)
 

kayti elliott

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"Maybe I'll be there to take your hand, maybe I'll be there to share the land that they'll be giving away when we all live together". The socialist dream.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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I think society in general has been given a load of BS regarding economic ideals. Wealth holds the power in both socialism and capitalism. Capitalism is better for society but once we allowed corporations to become too big to fail and allowed money to be a voice in politics it is just a matter of time before society suffers an unsustainable unequal distribution of resources. On just this thread you can go back and read how wealth justifies their bigger lot in life. Not all BPO's are in that 1% but every new building that goes up on the beach now is in that category. It is not just a house on the beach. It is not just about property rights. It is about a show of power and propaganda. Local government (The People) got some things wrong and made themselves a target of big politics and big money. If you can get The People mad enough it becomes about emotion. Both political sides do this and are practiced and smart about it.

There is nothing we can do about the large buildings on the sand dunes. The solutions for all problems where people are split between two controlling forces is generally compromise. So this thread was meant to keep us divided between property rights and human rights aka conservative ideals and liberal ideals. Once the people are split between the two camps and compromise is taken off the table then it becomes about power. Guess what group wins the power play?

We The People should try hard not to allow emotion to override our common sense but that is what people in power want. Ahh that word COMMON SENSE. It is two words. Common: we have similarities and common interest built in to our chemical and biological functions that effect our mental abilities. Fear is the emotion we are most vulnerable to. Sense: we have similar senses like touch, smell, hear, see and taste. Culture and Community does vary but we all want the same things. We are vulnerable to bias and prejudice.

My point is that we have more in common than not. I would go have a drink or coffee and have a conversation with anyone. I would definitely learn something during that conversation. You see that is not what we do anymore because people (including myself) have conversations like this on a forum where there is just words and a keyboard and a monitor. I admit that I like to think and type but it is better to think and socialize face to face. Socialism is not evil. Capitalism is not evil. It does not have to be either/or on anything but we all struggle with being close minded and that includes myself. Medicare is socialism and is good but we have to pay for it. Capitalism brings to the table a hard work ethic and creativity but too big to fail leads to an unequal distribution of resources. What is wrong with utilizing the best of both? Oh, I can feel the zealots at work on both sides of that statement. Anyway the point is that we need to use our common sense instead of emotions like fear. It is easier said than done. THE END (of another fairy tale).
 

EZ4144

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Aug 6, 2005
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I think society in general has been given a load of BS regarding economic ideals. Wealth holds the power in both socialism and capitalism. Capitalism is better for society but once we allowed corporations to become too big to fail and allowed money to be a voice in politics it is just a matter of time before society suffers an unsustainable unequal distribution of resources. On just this thread you can go back and read how wealth justifies their bigger lot in life. Not all BPO's are in that 1% but every new building that goes up on the beach now is in that category. It is not just a house on the beach. It is not just about property rights. It is about a show of power and propaganda. Local government (The People) got some things wrong and made themselves a target of big politics and big money. If you can get The People mad enough it becomes about emotion. Both political sides do this and are practiced and smart about it.

There is nothing we can do about the large buildings on the sand dunes. The solutions for all problems where people are split between two controlling forces is generally compromise. So this thread was meant to keep us divided between property rights and human rights aka conservative ideals and liberal ideals. Once the people are split between the two camps and compromise is taken off the table then it becomes about power. Guess what group wins the power play?

We The People should try hard not to allow emotion to override our common sense but that is what people in power want. Ahh that word COMMON SENSE. It is two words. Common: we have similarities and common interest built in to our chemical and biological functions that effect our mental abilities. Fear is the emotion we are most vulnerable to. Sense: we have similar senses like touch, smell, hear, see and taste. Culture and Community does vary but we all want the same things. We are vulnerable to bias and prejudice.

My point is that we have more in common than not. I would go have a drink or coffee and have a conversation with anyone. I would definitely learn something during that conversation. You see that is not what we do anymore because people (including myself) have conversations like this on a forum where there is just words and a keyboard and a monitor. I admit that I like to think and type but it is better to think and socialize face to face. Socialism is not evil. Capitalism is not evil. It does not have to be either/or on anything but we all struggle with being close minded and that includes myself. Medicare is socialism and is good but we have to pay for it. Capitalism brings to the table a hard work ethic and creativity but too big to fail leads to an unequal distribution of resources. What is wrong with utilizing the best of both? Oh, I can feel the zealots at work on both sides of that statement. Anyway the point is that we need to use our common sense instead of emotions like fear. It is easier said than done. THE END (of another fairy tale).
Capitalism is good for society? Have you noticed that our world is ending soon because of runaway capitalism?
 
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