Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

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  1. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Bingo! Add anonymous folks opposed to CU, Hiding behind fake names.
     
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  2. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Now that I've seen the video on Facebook, all I can say is how juvenile it is. Poor guy just wants attention for his business and is pissed off that the entire 26 miles of beach is not his oyster (business wise).

    And to Teresa's credit, I see where she asks him to remove it but he obviously hasn't.

    I understand Dave R not condemning his friend regarding the Nazi card. It does nothing to further the CU cause. But has Dave R refused to outright condemn this video? Please fill me in. Was it also posted on other pro-CU Facebook pages?

    Added...BTW the original Chuck Norris was much funnier as it didn't "attack" a group of people for their belief in defending private property rights - only that the "victims" were a little klutzy (actually a bit funny after you look at it from that point of view):

    This is not to excuse the other video regarding the heated debate of customary use!!!!!!
     
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  3. FloridaBeachBum

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    Diversion, rhetoric, and silly ditty is your responses? Can you describe how any legal criteria of customary use applies to private property? Why would any beachfront owner identify themselves so Ulhfelder and others can pick a fight and taunt law enforcement on anti-social media?
     
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  4. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    I was going to ask you if the BCC will have to foot the legal bills of the BFOs should the County ultimately lose this battle when I saw the $757,747 amount you mentioned. Then I re-read the above bolded statement and found the answer. I wonder how many people out there know this small but potentially VERY EXPENSIVE fact.

    I don't hear too much about this aspect although I thought that to be the case in the beginning.

    Yep, I can hear the conversation of a real estate agent and a potential buyer of private beach front property a few years down the road, "And don't forget you might receive several thousands of dollars from the county if the CU is shot down in the courts." Just another selling point. Agents are always looking for ways to entice buyers. :rolleyes:

    So if the county loses, does Daniel Uhlfelder's client also get their money back that they paid him? Will they have to share part of that with Mr. Uhlfelder? Interesting and complicated.
     
  5. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Never mind! Dave R never disappoints. Gosh, this is getting pathetic.

     
  6. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Dave, this is a serious question. Do you drink at night when you post?
     
  7. kayti elliott

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    You've got to love South Walton's political activists. They're kind of like the Bernie Sanders and AOCs of North Florida.
     
  8. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Nope, It's pretty clear this young man is trying to advance his business somehow through his bizarre posts. I don't see what he hopes to accomplish by posting this stuff. He is operating on his own and does not seem to listen to anyone.
     
  9. FloridaBeachBum

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    Dave, would like a serious discussion of the old English law of customary use you and the commissioners base your positions on? So far I agree it’s been a circular discussion, many ask for facts, no one offers any facts or even verifiable opinions; more distraction about aliases and “alternative” facts (that I still do not understand the definition of, you have to have facts to be an alternative to), and legally meaningless partisan polls.

    Or how about what facts do you base your public position that beachfront property owners took public beachfront property by filing a $400 quiet title form? I offered facts about that. So far you nor anyone else have disputed or offered alternative facts.

    Want to discuss if Vizcaya private beachfront was EVER "public" beach property? Facts here > Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
    That's C.G.'s factual legally based Vizcaya slide at the FBFA meeting isn't it?
    2019-02-26 FBFA Vizcaya private property.jpg

    I answered your question “How exactly does that translate into a beachfront owner? Waiting for your answer.” Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    What would be your response had a beachfront owner produced a video like that? What do you think the CU social media would be like had a beachfront owner produced that video?

    So far you’ve distanced yourself and the CU cause by, it’s in “poor taste”, jokes about who the shooter is (like that matters), that it is bizarre; but you have not disavowed the video for it’s message of violence, rhetorical or not. Why have you not is disavowed this C.G. video in public where the video is posted? You are quick to file a police report on an anonymous blogger that you admitted to police you felt threatened by but not a FB active shooter video you know who produced it?

    I hope you take the opportunity in an open forum to answer questions that have been posted and to clear the air.
     
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  10. L.C. Bane

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    I'm a little confused by all of this. I read that H.B. 631 established the procedure for adopting a customary use ordinance. Part of that procedure is going to court to affirm cu. That's whats happening. It's now in the hands of the courts. What's the issue? What is this converastion on Sowal suppose to achieve?

    The prior ordinance sunsetted with H.B. 631 appearing to single out Walton County based on the dates it spelled out. I don't see how that can be disputed.
     
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  11. mputnal

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    LVT I just want to say that I enjoyed your post and agree with you. It is so much better to post an observation or opinion without accusatory tones. Forums like this sometimes bring out the worst in our behavior and sometimes bring out the best. I am on the side of respect. I respect both sides however I am not for anyone who believes that they have bought the right to prevent other people from using the "beach". I am also not for using shame and emotion to make a point. Why not blame the developers for over developing and now we have too many people and not enough infrastructure or access to the resource. I do believe that these big mansions that block both view and access is not exactly a wonderful thing and maybe even wrong but we should let them make their point. Well they have made their point and I say that they should be more generous and sharing of the beach with all people who show good behavior. This means there would have to be some rules for good behavior because unfortunately not all people have good behavior. Wow, this seems like there was a very simple solution until emotion and principle got in the way...
     
  12. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Any sane person can see it is wrong in its current incarnation or any other for that matter. Have you expressed outrage wherever it is posted? Does it serve your purpose to have renegade CU advocates making crazy videos? Perhaps. Have you personally asked him to take down the video? Have all the others expressed outrage and asked him to take it down? You and others have tried desperately to tie anyone who goes off the rails to us; including people I don't even know.

    Mr. Galloway made the above photo showing the before and after of our beaches and allowed us to use it. He later posted some other bizarre posts shortly after that and I stopped communicating with him because I don't agree with his tactics. The moment I was critical of his posts he ignored me.

    Do you want to talk about bizarre tactics? Harassment, nasty, cussing, personal attacks? Hackmeyer ring a bell? How about that video? Can you show me your condemnation of that behavior? Both sides have people who have their own personal way of responding to this situation. I doubt you condone some of the behavior on your side and certainly I don't to some people on the CU side. The bottom line is people react in their own ways and no one can control what people say or do. And that’s all I’ll say on the matter whoever you are.
     
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    Disappointing. Missed opportunity.
     
  14. Auburn Fan

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    A grumpy old man in a two-way cussing match responding to a rude tourist who wouldn't leave his private property in an episode that occurred three years ago is NOTHING compared to the very current threat of touting premeditated murder as a solution to our private beach issues.

    Your attempt to be so dismissive would be laughable. If it weren't such a grave concern.
     
  15. Reggie Gaskins

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    Screenshot_20190515_075503.jpg Florida Beaches For All, chaired by David Rauschkolb, recently posted this photo, taken by that murder video guy. Check the dates.
     
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    Didn't Hackmeyer at Vizcaya guy threaten someone with shooting or other bodily harm? I really don't remember except there was profanity involved. I did hear yesterday though that a Vizcaya owner is selling because he doesn't want to be associated with Hacmeyer 's tactics. Who does he represent? Is he on his own or is there a team behind him? Is he being paid to patrol the beach?
     
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    Intentionally repeated hearsay of no substance. No police report whatsoever. Which of course there would have been if anything like that actually happened. Let's try sticking to the facts.
     
  18. James Bentwood

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    I recall a video posted here of the incident with a lot of cussing and extremely aggressive behavior. Do you think there is a police report every time someone is threatened with a gun?
     
  19. FactorFiction

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    Just my two cents, but I think there are actually quite a few beach areas where sharing is working just fine (like it did before the CU ordinance) with people who adhere to the "sole uses" that Walton County designated in the previous customary use ordinance and have designated again in the lawsuit. It would be great if the various social media sites would put some major emphasis on the sole uses. It might make for a more peaceful summer. Obviously, where there are known conflicts, nothing is served by trying to instigate conflict just for the sake of it.
     
  20. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Potentially good news for all, REALLY.

    If you haven’t heard, attorney Borowski has filed a request to dismiss the whole customary use case on grounds that the doctrine of customary use is unconstitutional and that it violates the takings clause and the due process clause of the U.S. Constitution.

    Reference online court records Doc 784 filed on 5/4/19. It is a good read!

    Thankfully, Dave R doesn’t really have to debate FBB....it would be painful if Dave R actually tried to engage.

    It sounds similar to the Blessey federal case that went away because the original CU proclamation by the county was rightfully shot down.

    “So how can that possibly be good news for the CU advocates as well?”

    It would save EVERYONE bunches of money AND time.

    And by time I mean it would bring MR. AND MRS. NO COMPROMISE Daniel Uhlfelder and Dave Rauschkolb and others begrudgingly back to the negotiating table. And then a deal could hopefully be negotiated with neighboring properties of public beach accesses using the saved money.

    And then we could just move on, trying to heal the community and letting developers have their way with us. And time is of the essence.

    Isn’t that something we all can agree on?
     

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