Instead of changing the subject, how about answering my questions?
I'm experiencing "deja poo".
Hearing the same crap over again.
I'm experiencing "deja poo".
Hearing the same crap over again.
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
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Alex, let me help those so concerned about the law and facts. Takes less time to do the credible research than to post about buzz phases or chauffeuring others to meetings.
FDEP https://floridadep.gov/file/9391/download?token=7BE86iBG
“Carrying capacities--limitations on the number of persons to use each site at a given time--can protect users' experiences by preventing overcrowding which (a) causes deterioration of the natural attribute of each use site and (b) impedes each user's ability to move freely and to fully enjoy the natural setting without undue distraction.”
State Parks have the “power” to assess fees to enter and to prohibit from state park beaches (1) all Walton vehicles (including trash collection vehicles and life guard vehicles), (2) alcohol, (3) overcrowding (density) “parks will close when they reach capacity”, (4) pets from designated areas, and (5) warn the public “Do not trespass on private property.”
Rules (Constitutional rights) private property owners are not entitled to with public CU of private property.
Florida State Park Rules
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Topsail is one of the best Parks for public beach recreation but you have to pay the fee and obey the rules.
Topsail Hill Preserve State Park
FDEP https://floridadep.gov/file/9391/download?token=7BE86iBG
“Carrying capacities--limitations on the number of persons to use each site at a given time--can protect users' experiences by preventing overcrowding which (a) causes deterioration of the natural attribute of each use site and (b) impedes each user's ability to move freely and to fully enjoy the natural setting without undue distraction.”
State Parks have the “power” to assess fees to enter and to prohibit from state park beaches (1) all Walton vehicles (including trash collection vehicles and life guard vehicles), (2) alcohol, (3) overcrowding (density) “parks will close when they reach capacity”, (4) pets from designated areas, and (5) warn the public “Do not trespass on private property.”
Rules (Constitutional rights) private property owners are not entitled to with public CU of private property.
Florida State Park Rules
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Topsail is one of the best Parks for public beach recreation but you have to pay the fee and obey the rules.
Topsail Hill Preserve State Park
Bottom line...any “beach use density” (ridiculous term) or overcrowding that may occur is a direct result of House Bill 631 and any beachfront owner who throws up private property signs on our beaches. Limiting accessible beaches will directly create larger crowds at the beaches that are accessible. And sorry folks, this is America and you can’t limit peoples visitation to beaches. State parks are a different thing entirely. “Beach use density” ridiculous
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I expect and appreciate State Parks limiting visitors to enhance the experience and protect the environment. I wouldn't mind county or even community activists advocating or instituting controls. But the horse is out the barn. We have free and open beaches in SoWal and always have. A silly argument to tell people now that they can't come or can only bring half the family. No one except a few single troublemakers are going to suggest it.
All USA and Florida have titles to ALL the lands. Federal Government, State of Florida, local counties, private corporations, and private individuals. There is NO difference in the property bundle of rights. If you believe State Parks are different show us why otherwise that is not a credible belief. Again and again and again FS163.035 (formally HB631) is an BPO due process law and has NO effect on CU or private property rights, including free speech and property owner signs. Any alternative statements are not credible unless it can be shown why. This IS America and we have the rule of law and the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the LAND for ALL Americans, even minority American BPOs. CUnCourt
Topsail was purchased by the State of Florida in 1992 but was privately owned prior to that.
Parcels 05-3S-20-34000-001-0000.
Prior to 1992 would the private property owner have all bundle of rights including quiet uninterrupted use and enjoyment? If not, why not? The horse was already out of the barn then too? Yes?
Then how can the State of Florida now exercise their property rights or power to charge fees for use, restrict density, prevent vehicle on their property, or prohibit pets? But private property owners can not? Did the title rights change in 1992?
Parcels 05-3S-20-34000-001-0000.
Prior to 1992 would the private property owner have all bundle of rights including quiet uninterrupted use and enjoyment? If not, why not? The horse was already out of the barn then too? Yes?
Then how can the State of Florida now exercise their property rights or power to charge fees for use, restrict density, prevent vehicle on their property, or prohibit pets? But private property owners can not? Did the title rights change in 1992?
Fbb, I was hoping you would bail out AM 
However I think you failed to locate the word "exclude" in the State Park Regulations. I think the word is "limit". Kind of seems more reasonable than exclude. We agree?
I don't totally disagree with you opinion about HB631 which ensures due process BUT it is a customary use affirmation "process". Before HB631 you still had the option to sue the local government entity. The only thing different is the designation of who is the defendant and who is the plantiff.
However I think you failed to locate the word "exclude" in the State Park Regulations. I think the word is "limit". Kind of seems more reasonable than exclude. We agree?
I don't totally disagree with you opinion about HB631 which ensures due process BUT it is a customary use affirmation "process". Before HB631 you still had the option to sue the local government entity. The only thing different is the designation of who is the defendant and who is the plantiff.
Who in their right mind believes managing beach use density is "ridiculous"?
Not those who love the beach more than they love money, that's for sure.
Folks, the true interests of the CU Pirates are starting to come into focus. Pirates use something they don't own, without permission. Most of the thoughtful residents of Walton County do not want our beaches plundered.
(Hint: read the extensive list of housing development projects near the beach up for review on Wednesday. Heres a link:
Walton County - Meeting Information )
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See my post above. It's ridiculous at this stage now that we are at the point of millions of tourists a year. What are you going to do? Put up a wall at the border, signs, fences and have armed guards every 100 yards?
Oh wait. That is your wet dream I suppose.
Again a losing argument - there are tens of thousands of housing units coming to Walton County in the next 20 years. The last 20 years is going to look like nothing. My advice to anyone on 30A who doesn't like traffic or people on the beach or no parking move now. A tidal wave is coming.
This stuff coming up you linked is a blip, nothing....
Walton's Landing - Request to continue to the December 18, 2019 TRC meeting. Project number MAJ19-000017 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a major development order application submitted by Innerlight Engineering Corporation, Inc. on behalf of D. R. Horton, Inc. requesting the approval to develop 73 single family lots, 98 townhomes, pool amenity, and a one acre commercial parcel 38.22 +/- acres with a Future Land Use of Mixed Use and Zoning of Village Mixed Use. The project is located at 2432 Chat Holly Road and is identified by parcel number 23-2S-20-33170-000-0130. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1189 - Pdf
Basin Bayou Estates - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000013 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a minor development order application submitted by David Forstrom on behalf of 7451 State Hwy 20 LLC, requesting approval to develop 5 single-family residential lots on +/- 2.86 acres with a future land use of Rural Residential and a zoning category of Rural Village. The project is located on the south side of State Highway 20, approximately 0.35 miles west of the intersection of Marsh Drive and State Highway 20, and is identified by parcel number 21-1S-20-32000-016-0010. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1190 - Pdf
Neisus LSA - Request to continue to the December 18, 2019 TRC meeting. Project number LUM19-000010 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a large scale amendment application submitted by Barnhill Civil, on behalf of Dirt Investments, LLC, requesting approval to change the future land use from Conservation Residential to General Agriculture with a zoning of Conservation Residential 1/2.5 to General Agriculture on 10.018 acres+/-. The project is 3000 feet south of the intersection of US Hwy 98 and Veterans Rd and is identified by parcel number 35-2S-20-33280-000-0230. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1191 - Pdf
Force Capital Partners Complex - Request to continue to the December 18, 2019 TRC meeting. Project number MAJ19-000019 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a major development order application submitted by Dewberry on behalf of Force Capital Partners LLC requesting the approval to construct a solar panel for an office/warehouse on 4 +/- acres with a Future Land Use of Industrial and Extractive Uses and Zoning of Light Industrial. The project is located on the west side of CR 393 approximately 4500 LF north of the US Hwy 98 and CR 393 intersection and is identified by parcel number(s) 27-2S-20-33210-000-0030. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1192 - Pdf
Bayview Estates Plat - Request to continue to the December 18, 2019 TRC meeting. Project number PLA19-000026 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a plat application submitted by Core Engineering and Consulting, on behalf of GE/Bayview Estates, LLC, requesting approval to plat 14 single family homes on 2.57 +/- acres. The property has a future land use of Residential and a zoning of Neighborhood Infill. The project is located from US Highway 98 at N. Holiday Road, 0.4 miles to Forest Shore Drive, west on Forest Shore Drive 0.6 miles to Walton Way and project site is on the left, and the property is identified by parcel number 19-2S-21-42000-005-0000. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1193 - Pdf
Christ the King Episcopal Education Building - Request to continue to the December 18, 2019 TRC meeting. Project number MIN19-000045 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a minor development order application submitted by Dewberry Engineers, Inc. on behalf of Protestant Episcopal Church in the Diocese of the Central Gulf Coast, Inc. requesting to expand their current facility by adding an additional 10,000 SF children's teaching facility building on 9.0 +/- acres with a future land use of Conservation Residential & a zoning of Conservation Residential 2:1. The project is located from the intersection of Highway 98 and CR 393 travel North approximately 0.47 miles and entrance is on the right and is identified by parcel number(s) 26-2S-20-33200-000-0570. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1194 - Pdf
Walmart Exterior Modification - Request to continue to the December 18, 2019 TRC meeting. Project number MIN19-000044 is being reviewed by Tim Brown. This is a minor development order application submitted by WD Partners on behalf of Walmart Stores East LP, requesting an exterior building modification to include a 1,291 square foot addition, an overhead canopy and restriping of parking for online grocery pickup on +/- 10.15 acres with a future land use of Mixed Use and a zoning category of Coastal Center Mixed Use. The project is located at the northwest corner of U.S. Highway 98 West and West Hewett Drive and is identified by parcel number(s) 30-2S-20-33230-000-001D. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1195 - Pdf
Sweetwater Lane RV Park - Request to continue to the December 18, 2019 TRC meeting. Project number MIN19-000032 is being reviewed by Tim Brown. This is a minor development order application submitted by Jenkins Engineering, Inc. on behalf of Denese Tolbert, requesting approval to develop an RV park with associated infrastructure in 3 phases on 1.82 +/- acres with a future land use of Rural Residential & and zoning category of Rural Village. The project is located at 135 Sweetwater Lane and is identified by parcel number(s) 27-1S-19-23000-042-0040 and 27-1S-19-23100-000-0210. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1186 - Pdf
Highlands at Seagrove Amendment - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000038 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a minor development order application submitted by Dunlap & Shipman, PA on behalf of Seagrove Highlands Condominium, requesting to amend the current Development Order to move one residential unit to the end of Somerset Bridge Rd, move the compost/garden and reduce the number of approved condominium units of 2 parcels on 13.98 +/- acres with a future land use of Mixed Use & a zoning of Small Neighborhood. The project is located approximately 1.5 blocks north of E. CO Highway 30A on Somerset Bridge Rd and is identified by parcel number(s) 13-3S-19-25000-007-0040 and 14-3S-19-25000-012-0000. (Continued from the November 20, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1196 - Pdf
Ashley Place - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000043 is being reviewed by Tim Brown. This is a minor development order application submitted by Choctaw Engineering, Inc. on behalf of 393 Holdings MFT, LLC, requesting approval to construct eight multifamily units in four buildings with associated infrastructure on 4.85 +/- acres with a future land use of Residential and a zoning category of Neighborhood Infill. The project is located on the west side of South CR 393, north of White Cottage Road and south of Edgewood Terrace, and is identified by parcel number(s) 34-2S-20-33270-008-0001. (Continued from the November 6, 2019 TRC meeting.)
19-1197 - Pdf
Miramar Beach Hotel Amendment - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000049 is being reviewed by Tim Brown. This is a minor development order application submitted by Choctaw Engineering, Inc. on behalf of Miramar Beach Hotel, LLC, requesting approval to fill the existing wetland, reconfigure the drainage, reconfigure the parking lot, reconfigure the parking lot landscaping and reconfigure the parking lot lighting on 1.59 +/- acres with a future land use of Mixed Use and a zoning category of Coastal Center. The project is located on the north side of U.S. Hwy 98, west of Forest Shore Drive and east of North Holiday Road and is identified by parcel number(s) 29-2S-21-42000-011-0018.
19-1198 - Pdf
Coursey Garden Center - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000050 is being reviewed by Tim Brown. This is a minor development order application submitted by Baker Engineers, LLC on behalf of Hilda Coursey, requesting to develop a 1412 square foot garden center and plant nursery on 18.82 +/- acres with a future land use of Residential and a zoning category of Urban Residential. The project is located on the east side of Juniper Lake Road, north of Magnolia Boulevard and south of Jennie Circle and is identified by parcel number(s) 22-3N-19-19000-008-0000 and 22-3N-19-19000-009-0000.
19-1199 - Pdf
Mack Bayou Residences PUD - Request to approve by final order and PUD Overlay Ordinance. Project number MAJ19-000024 is being reviewed by Renee Bradley. This is a major development order application submitted by Innerlight Engineering Corp., on behalf of Crest Residential LLC, requesting the approval a PUD Overlay and Technical PUD to construct a residential community consisting of 252 multi-family apartments, 24 townhomes, 12 single family homes with 15,000 +/- sf amenities, bike path, public park and future commercial development on 37.63 +/- acres with a Future Land Use of Mixed Use/Residential and Zoning of Small Neighborhood/Infill. The project is located 0.7 miles from the intersection of U.S. Hwy 98 and Mack Bayou Road, on the right side of Mack Bayou Road, and is identified by parcel number(s) 25-2S-21-42000-027-0000, 25-2S-21-42350-000-0020, and 25-2S-21-42350-000-0090.
19-1200 - Pdf
Watersound Origins Phase 5 - Sales Center and Lot Line Shift - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000052 is being reviewed by Renee Bradley. This is a minor development order application submitted by Innerlight Engineering Corporation on behalf of Kolter Homes, LLC, requesting approval to build a sales center and model home, and a 6' lot line shift between lots 2 & 3 within Watersound Origins Naturewalk Phase 1 on 1.36 +/- acres with a future land use and zoning of BWSP/Village Center. The project is located at the intersection of N. Watersound Parkway and Pathways Drive and is identified by parcel number 24-3S-18-16000-001-0010.
19-1201 - Pdf
The Cove at Santa Rosa Beach - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000051 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a minor development order application submitted by Jenkins Engineering, Inc. on behalf of Wadhew Development, LLC., requesting to develop ten single family lots on 2.51 +/- acres with a future land use of Residential & a zoning of Low Density Residential 4:1. The project is located 0.02 miles south of Sea Croft Drive at the intersection of Maxwell Ave & Carefree Ln. and is identified by parcel number(s) 02-3S-20-34160-000-0120.
19-1202 - Pdf
Southeast Storage Facility Addition - Request to approve by final order. Project number MAJ19-000023 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a major development order application submitted by Avcon Inc. on behalf of 11900 HWY 98 LLC, requesting approval to remove an existing 150 mini-storage units building and construct a 2nd 3-story 61,275 sf building for a total development of 122,550 sf of self-storage on 4.01 +/- acres with a Future Land Use of Mixed Use and Zoning of Coastal Center Mixed Use. The project is located on the north side of U.S. Hwy 98 approximately 0.05 miles from the U.S. Hwy 98 & N Holiday Rd intersection and is identified by parcel number(s) 29-2S-21-42000-006-00A0.
19-1203 - Pdf
Green Street Improvements - Request to approve by development order. Project number MIN19-000053 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a minor development order application submitted by O'Connell & Associates on behalf of Sam Berry Blair, Jr. & J. Stuart Collier, Jr., is requesting approval to update an existing private right-of-way and construct a new stormwater management facility on 0.376 +/- acres with a future land use of Residential & a zoning of Neighborhood Infill. The project is located south of CR 30A, approximately 0.02 miles west of the Watersound Parkway and E CR 30A intersection and is identified by parcel number(s) 27-3S-18-16000-010-0040.
19-1204 - Pdf
East End 5 MG Tank & Booster Pump Station SSA - Request to approve by ordinance. Project number LUM19-000012 is being reviewed by Bob Baronti. This is a small scale amendment application submitted by Ryan Douglass, P.E., on behalf of Florida Community Services Corp. D. B. A. Regional Utilities requesting approval for a future land use change from Village Center and a zoning district change of Village Center to a future land use of Public Facilities and Institutional and zoning district of Public Facilities and Institutional on 4 +/- acres. The project is located on the south side of U.S. Hwy 98, approximately one mile from the intersection of Watersound Parkway and U.S. Hwy 98, and is identified by parcel number 26-3S-18-16000-001-0070.
19-1205 - Pdf
Bannerman Lot S/D Plat - Request to approve by final plat. Project number PLA19-000031 is being reviewed by Bob Barronti. This is a plat application submitted by Innerlight Engineering Corp, on behalf of LGM, LLC, requesting approval to plat 5 lots on 2.92 +/- acres. The property has a future land use of Conservation Residential and a zoning of Conservation Residential. The project is located on the southwest corner of the intersection of CR 30A and Bannerman Beach Lane and is identified by parcel number 07-3S-19-25000-004-00A0.
19-1206 - Pdf
Request to approve the 2020 TRC Schedule of Meeting Dates.
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