Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. FloridaBeachBum

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    You are right I paid property taxes for the right to own private property and all the property rights you have that contribute to the community.

    I did not accuse you in the post of you accusing anyone of any derogatory remarks. I asked an open question; "How many BFOs veterans have contributed to the community by serving their country in harms way but are called greedy, in-human, and worse, just on this thread, much less on antisocial media?"

    Thank you for your service to our nation and your pledge to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. At least you, not the person you have advocated for, have contributed that to the community and nation. May not give you any extra rights but to serve honorably does give you more respect for your contribution.
    Now back to the thread. Want to answer any of the CU questions posted?
     
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    This thread is now owned by an attention whore.
     
  3. FloridaBeachBum

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    Jenksy: "This thread is now owned by an attention whore."
    Suggest no property rights advocate need reply. Just let it stand on it's own.
    Clarified.
     
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    Oh. Do you own this thread?
     
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    Good grief here we go again with the Constitution rhetoric. Yes I guess you could say I served to defend the Constitution which it seems many forget is not a piece of parchment encased in concrete, but a living document that adapts to current circumstances without the need of an amendment.
     
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    LV2, we're in agreement that propaganda is at the heart of what is tearing our community apart. But you've got it backwards who is perpetually fueling the propaganda machine and has been for some time now.

    "If you keep telling a lie over and over and over and over again, the populace will start to believe it is true." That is what the true power broker is all about. And you yourself cannot deny that.

    How many times has that BS propaganda "Shifting Sands" now been published? Merely to stir up emotions, but not based on facts and truths. It's being repeatedly shoved down the community's throats a distasteful amount of times, by the same multimillion dollar corporation. Open your eyes, man. Cotton candy words that taste sweet, but have no substance.
     
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    Au contraire, girl, the author of Shifting Sands BS propaganda does not own this thread.
     
  8. FloridaBeachBum

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    "ip addresses reveal all"? Not really or not all the time. Understand most all internet providers (Mediacom in Walton) IP addresses are not static/fixed but are dynamic/changes. Internet provider's IP addresses can be "sticky" but most IPs usually expire after a short period of time and new IPs are assigned, sometimes without you even knowing it. Medicom have huge numbers of dynamic 173.xxx.xxx.xxx IP addresses that are assign to its paid internet users periodically.

    Blocks of IP addresses are assigned to geographic areas around the world, so you can guess where the IP assigned to your computer is located but not a specific person or computer. Just where the IP was assigned. Many sites like IP Address Lookup - Find IP Address Location - WhatIsMyIP.com® will show the IP address and the location where the IP was assigned by Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) in the sky.

    All Medicom, and most internet providers, assign a new IP every time when the home internet modem reboots, like by unplugging the internet modem power, counting to 10 and plunging the power back in. You can see your "public" internet IP by Goggling "What's my IP".

    Many internet users use secure private and commercial Virtual Private Networks (VPN) like Private Internet Access | Anonymous VPN Service Provider. With a VPN your public IP address goes to an encrypted VPN server and is assigned it's own different VPN IP address. Commercial VPN servers are all over the US and the world. You could be in Sandestin connected to a secure VPN server in Canada and go to SoWal or Resources – Florida Coastal Property Rights and the public IP that those servers would "see" would be an IP from Canada. Many PC from all over the US could use the same VPN but could look like the IPs were coming from the same VPN server location.
    Remote PC software can be used to surf the internet from another PC located anywhere in the world too.

    Internet browser Cookies can store information a Server can use too. If you do not want Cookies on your PC, most browsers have private no-cookie settings. Google Chrome is "Incognito" Browse in private - Computer - Google Chrome Help. Firefox is "Private Window" Private Browsing - Use Firefox without saving history | Firefox Help. To delete cookies Google how to permanently delete Cookies from your browser manually each time you exit an internet site or automatically when you close your browser.

    If you have a home network-router and a internet provider modem (Mediacom), the public internet address is different than a non-public router network router IP (usually 192.168.xxx.xxx or 10.10.xxx.xxx) but the "public" IP is what internet servers, like SoWal will see. So "ip addresses [do not always] reveal all." - not always who the individual IP is assigned to if the public IP is reassigned periodically.
     
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    I sincerely hope that any BFO who is looking to list their home, not do so with any ECAR affiliated broker except for the one mentioned above.

    ECAR had ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to take sides in this CU debate as a commercial entity, IMHO.

    MONEY resulting from increased development and commissions is the only reason they did take sides.

    Just a casual reminder to some CU folks who don’t truly understand the benchmarks of CU....MONEY, economics, property values, etc. are NOT one of them, period.

    ECAR (made up many local brokers) is as big of a hypocritical organization as I have ever seen.
     
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    Yes because every member agrees with ECAR leadership lol. What a stupid position to take.
     
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    GUEST COLUMN: Customary use is not a private property rights issue


    By Dave Rauschkolb | Guest Columnist

    Those power brokers intent on denying the public’s right to use and enjoy our beach as we have since time immemorial are determined to paint this as a private property rights issue. Customary use is not an attack against private property rights; it is an affirmation that regardless of ownership of the sand we all have a right to access, use and enjoy our shared coastal American border.

    “No entity, regardless of ownership, may deny or exclude Americans or international visitors from freely and lawfully accessing and using our American beaches from the dune line to the mean high tide waterline.” These words should be all that is needed in a federal or state law.

    Private property in the conventional sense, beyond our coastal borders is not in dispute. Reams of legal and layman’s arguments have been and are being written to paint non-beachfront owners’ use of our beaches as an attack on private property. It is not because our beaches are very different from conventional private property.

    We all own private property and the law is clear on Americans’ right to preserve and protect their private property. That is rarely if ever in dispute. The reason this issue IS in dispute is because we have truly shared our beaches for centuries. The claim of exclusion on beaches, couched in private property rights arguments is a fairly recent development in American history.

    We have a shared coastal heritage on our beaches. Clearly our coasts have value, as the closer one purchases to a beach the values are highest. The value and strength of coastal economies depend on the use of our beaches for all. For a finite group of citizens to claim exclusion of our beaches to the rest of all Americans is an affront to all non beachfront-owning Americans.

    Those powerful and well-funded people wanting to change a balance that has existed a very, very long time bitterly claim their private property is being taken away. No. They purchased the convenience of being steps from the beach and the view. They can’t build on the sand and there is no tax assessments directly attached to that sand. It is not private property in the conventional sense as it applies to all other land that is private property.

    No, this is not about private property, it is about excluding all of us from enjoying and using our most treasured and beloved beaches. Our beaches, the shifting sands of our common Coastal American heritage. Perhaps, besides it not being buildable or taxable, it could be argued that the sandy areas of our beaches may never be called “private” because the land they purchased is constantly on the move by tidal action, wind and storms. How can they claim ownership and exclusion on shifting sand they can’t contain?


    What are we missing here? Nina Horn, a Scenic Sotheby's Realtor is President of ECAR.
     

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  12. Dave Rauschkolb

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    To Dave:

     
  14. FloridaBeachBum

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    Emerald Coast Association of Realtors (ECARS) President Nina McCaslin-Horn ECAR predecessor is Liz McMaster, a Florida Beaches for All (FBFA) board member. I said I'd consider listing with the 3 Scenic Sotheby's brokers on the letter - not any Walton agent, including Nina.

    Understand you are good buds with CEO Arnold Keith Dean, who hosted your FBFA February 26, 2019 CU [mis]information meeting at the ECAR South Walton offices, obviously you know REALTOR Liz McMasters, and you must know current ECAR President Nina McCaslin-Horn. Why don't you tell us what we are missing; does the ECAR President support CU or not?

    "No, this is not about private property..." What is it about Commissioners' litigation with 4,671 BOFs that's "not about private property"?
    If I were you and did not have anything CREDIBLE to add you should remain silent to the CU questions; but the meaningless photos are getting old. No factual credibility.

    Great Paul Zmigroski reply to your NW Florida Fake News baseless Guest Column. Won't even address the fake FateEady CUer posting as a property advocate - like SoWal fake "Pam Hicks" stupid posts to discredit the President.
     
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    Blake Morar and Chris Abbott, both owners/brokers of Scenic Sotheby’s in Santa Rosa Beach penned the following letter, definitely taking the high road without taking sides.

    I don’t think their position is stupid. Contrary, it was well thought out and it took balls to stand up to the very unprofessional way ECAR has injected themselves in the CU debate.

    Maybe the other owned Sotheby offices are in disagreement including the one Nina McCaslin Horn works for. BTW, she’s only a realtor, not a broker or owner according to Sotheby’s website.

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    Yes it’s stupid because you choose to punish all of the other members on leadership opinion without knowing their personal positions. Stupid.
     
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    Then why don’t the other members who agree that ECAR should not be taking a stand, for or against, simply pen their own letters to ECAR? Fear of reprisal?

    Just to clarify, an agent can have their own personal opinion on CU - I have no problem with that. But to be associated with ECAR and not speak up as Blake Morar and Chris Abbott that ANY STAND on CU by that real estate organization which is supposedly held to higher standard than your typical business is wrong and unprofessional.

    Call me stupid, but I’d seriously consider taking my business to Blake and Chris first.

    Oh wait....you already did.
     
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    That is the most BS narrative that you can come up with. To say that Florida beaches for all has had anything to do with harassing anyone is ridiculous. I’ve spoken at length with the sheriff as well. Individuals, Good people who have invested here and are not beachfront owners and those who are are visiting here, react to having their right to use the beaches restricted on their own and it happens pretty often on our SoWal beaches. I’m sure that those instances are well documented with the Sheriff. We, Florida beaches for all has no control or coordination whatsoever in what happens on our beaches and for you to insinuate that Florida beaches for all has anything to do with harassing anyone is an absolutely outrageous statement.
     
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    #883 Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
    Dave Rauschkolb, do you deny Florida Beaches for All (FBFA) attorney Daniel Uhlfelder intentionally trespassed on Vizcaya private property on multiple near-consecutive days and posted it on social media was not planned (staged)? The Deputies told Uhlfelder he was on private property the first time he trespassed, Vizcaya's legal plat and public pedestrian easement to the foreshore has been post on this thread, Walton Beach Director BCC video was heard to say many (including Vizcaya) easements are on PRIVATE property and the Commissioners, TDC, and public have NO rights other than crossing the sand to the foreshore. Your posts are Not CREDIBLE. Or do you just choose not to believe legal documents and the law?

    What legal "right" do people and visitors have to use private property beaches without the owners consent? Please specify the US law or do you believe it is just the "law of the sand"?
     
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    You know what’s BS? My post that you’re responding to no longer exists.

    You know what else is even bigger BS? Your inability to admit to anything..

    Fact. Daniel Uhlfelder was instrumental in forming FBFA.

    Fact. Daniel Uhlfelder legally represents FBFA as co-plaintiff.

    Fact. Daniel Uhlfelder intentionally trespassed on private property on multiple occasions to harass the private property OWNERS as well as the sherrriifff’s department.

    Maybe you failed Logic 101, but as I and many others see it, FBFA is simply guilty of harassment. Throw as much “BS” at it as you can but you will NEVER cover up those simple and clear facts.

    Added: Just another nail in the coffin of 30A’s “Legacy”.
     
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