Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

[stone packard]

I'm still chuckling about the affidavits that were given away like Halloween candy that people from all over the country signed. It reminds me of the petition that people were talked into signing, demanding that a Hampton Inn not be built in Seagrove Beach. My wife even signed the petition because a friend, who lives at Rosemary Beach asked her to.

 

[mputnal]

SP, if your wife reads your post I doubt you will be chuckling. I would also not be so accusatory that the affidavits are based on a whim including your wife's. You are not as entitled as you seem to think. You seem to view the public (We The People) as somehow less than you yet real people with real identities showed up and put their name on an official document. Accusing the people of both ignorance and lack of integrity. Not very smart.

 

[stone packard]

SP, if your wife reads your post I doubt you will be chuckling. I would also not be so accusatory that the affidavits are based on a whim including your wife's. You are not as entitled as you seem to think. You seem to view the public (We The People) as somehow less than you yet real people with real identities showed up and put their name on an official document. Accusing the people of both ignorance and lack of integrity. Not very smart.

Perhaps you didn't understand what I wrote. My wife signed the anti-Hampton Inn petition, not a CU affidavit. She's very intelligent and she knows that any sworn statement has serious implications and is not to be taken lightly.

 

[mputnal]

SP, good response. I agree.

 

[Stone Cold J]

Judge opts not to rule on customary use motion.

Dave, this is Case 08-CA-000006 (the 2008 court case from Edgewater Beach Owners Association) and not 18-CA-00547 (BCC Customary Use Lawsuit). In addition, the Judge did not opt to not rule, he requested the lawyers submit final documents by next Tuesday so a ruling is not due yet.

What was very interesting was court document 08-CA-000006 #128 on the Deposition of Larry Jones and when asked if "the County was trying to establish all the customary uses mentioned in the Complaint on Edgewater’s beach, Mr. Jones response is “I don’t have an answer for that”.

What about you Dave? Do you have an answer for the following:

WHY it is reasonable to remove property rights from legally deeded private property owners which have NEVER been challenged before, and WHO has shown going to every single parcel in the 26 mile beach from the mean high tide line to the dunes is without interruption, and lastly WHEN did this issue become WITHOUT DISPUTE as specified in the County Lawsuit?

I look forward to reading the Dan / Dave depositions when they are released so we can finally hear their answer​

 

[mputnal]

Scj, I object. Asked and answered...many times over.

I hope not many people are reading this thread because there is nothing new here. The only reason I keep posting is because this subject matter is profoundly important for the future of this community, for this State and for this Country. Working class, middle class and politically moderate people are losing the battle for a voice in deciding issues such as this. Extremism, elitism and lots of money has a voice and we need to be aware of what is happening before we lose a resource that should be shared and enjoyed by ALL the people not just a few. The people behind this campaign for private beach are not here to protect anything but their power over the resource. They do not want to share anything but that is not what motivated me to stand up. It is human to be selfish. As much as we don't want to admit it we all have selfish behaviors. That is not our problem the way I see things. These movements that mislead, misdirect and divide with repeated bombastic rhetoric are anti-social behaviors. Anti-community. Trust me these people do not care about the community being over-developed, over populated and lack of sufficient infrastructure. They have disconnected from this community and even worse than that from working class/middle class people in general. They have money and they have power. They are probably not aware that they abuse their power from repeatedly justifying and believing in their self importance. They are feeling joyous about the state of our Justice System which they believe will support their desires for more more and more. It is the nature of humans to want more than we need so I understand them. I understand them but I am aware of what the future will look like if they are not checked. There is only so many resources to go around like our beautiful beaches. They want more of it which means there will be less of it for we the people. For me this is not about protecting property rights from the socialist as they want you to believe. This is about we the people standing up to check elite abusive power. There is no good reason why we can not develop rules to respectfully share the beach where everyone is happy not just a few. There is no good reason why we have to let a political party tell us how to think and what to fear. It is about standing up for yourself and most of all the future generations of your family...

 

[Reggie Gaskins]

We are fast approaching 100,000 thread views, 2,000 comments, 100 pages. Epic discussion folks. Twice this week this thread had 1,000 views per day. This subject IS of great interest. The details and facts DO matter. Sunlight and truth ARE important.

Our commitment to the community, to keep the 30A quality of life, to keep our beaches protected from rampant abuse and overuse, and retain our 30A Legacy remains our focus. Putting millions of more people in homes and on beach will destroy our slice of heaven, forever.

Thank you to all who have contributed sensible content and thought. We appreciate intelligent discourse about community issues. We don’t however, have time for extreme emotional distractions and nonsensical, irrelevant propaganda. There are differing positions on this hot topic, and as we thoughtfully discuss here, we are seeing the major gaps in some of those baseless positions being exposed in court.

The prognostication of death and despair without CU have now been proven unfounded. Things are quieting down again. We all need to watch the county officials closer, that has been the big takeaway.

But regardless of who wins, doesn’t matter, the protracted fight over
Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy.

 

[mputnal]

Reggie/Regina (his/her words of identity) is the leader of this elite belief in self importance. Notice the words "extreme emotional distractions and nonsensical, irrelevant propaganda, baseless opinions" directed at those that disagree. Heck I am a registered republican and fiscal conservative and I strongly reject this elitism. Propaganda comes from those with elite power. Repeated rhetoric is the clue. They want you to fear that someone is coming to take something away from you. These beaches have been shared since the beginning. This is not about property rights. It should be about how a changing community deals with the issues of infrastructure, civil behavior and recreational access to the sandy beach. They will not compromise on their desire to exclude people from the sandy beach. Lack of compromise is another clue of propaganda. Hidden identities are a clue of propaganda. Their facts are one-sided, misleading, misinterpreted, misrepresented and thrust upon us like a flaming sword down our throats. They do not want to here any voice but theirs. They believe they own the sandy beach. They don't. The State of Florida owns the sandy beach as it moves seaward to landward and then up and down the beach. They will dispute any fact that does not support their movement toward private beaches. The bottom line is we ALL want the sandy beaches to be recreational not confrontational. Common sense will make this happen. Not a campaign of propaganda to divide us and provoke us...

 

[Dave Rauschkolb]

We are fast approaching 100,000 thread views, 2,000 comments, 100 pages. Epic discussion folks. Twice this week this thread had 1,000 views per day. This subject IS of great interest. The details and facts DO matter. Sunlight and truth ARE important.

Our commitment to the community, to keep the 30A quality of life, to keep our beaches protected from rampant abuse and overuse, and retain our 30A Legacy remains our focus. Putting millions of more people in homes and on beach will destroy our slice of heaven, forever.

Thank you to all who have contributed sensible content and thought. We appreciate intelligent discourse about community issues. We don’t however, have time for extreme emotional distractions and nonsensical, irrelevant propaganda. There are differing positions on this hot topic, and as we thoughtfully discuss here, we are seeing the major gaps in some of those baseless positions being exposed in court.

The prognostication of death and despair without CU have now been proven unfounded. Things are quieting down again. We all need to watch the county officials closer, that has been the big takeaway.

But regardless of who wins, doesn’t matter, the protracted fight over
Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy.

"Things are quieting down again". Anonymous Reggie, Of course it quieting down, It's winter time; however your fantasy that Customary Use supporters here and all over the State will somehow go away, be silenced, intimidated or change their minds to supporters of the rights of exclusion or private property rights on our beaches is just that, a fantasy. (To use the bold as BMBV, Stone Cold J and other fake persona's here use ridiculously to add emphasis to their private beach propaganda) CU in Court and beyond. Our beaches are a shared resource, they always have been. Happy to work for improving unseemly behavior with enforcement near public accesses to solve this but exclusion of anyone from the dune line to the water line is a nonstarter. See you Tuesday Anonymous Reggie or Regina. And there is no doubt that PRIVATE BEACHES WILL DESTROY OUR 30A LEGACY!

 

[Reggie Gaskins]

Sorry gang, many much smarter people than me, or is it I? I can’t ever get that right! Anyway, much smarter dudes & dudettes here, on this thread, repeatedly, have taken each of the foundational claims of first - the CU requirements by law, and next - the claims by the CU leaders. Each of those claims and covenants have been deeply discussed, researched, and evidence of false premise and illegitimacy have been presented here. That’s what intelligent people does.

We’ve openly welcomed the other side to join the conversation but instead, they offer what you see above. False premise, wishful circumstance, tin foil hat entitlement theory, purposefully misleading images, and downright tantrums. Never a factual discussion.

No, this is not a court. But this is what passionate, interested, intelligent leaders do. Discuss, challenge, break down facts and law, research ideas. Come to proper conclusion. Since no one has yet offered any direct defense of any of FBFA “CU facts”, after they’ve been proven false, and their ”Leader” has refused a public discussion now after dozens of invites, we’ll report, you decide.