Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.
This paragraph is a despicable distortion of the truth.
If the BFOs are such a philanthropic, easy to get along with group, why do they seem to band together and immediately purchase any properties that are even rumored to be purchased by the county to provide more access for the those of us wanting a hassle free day at the beach?
A local person acted on behalf of a young couple who had been told to move. This is what we all need to do for our visitors. Help them. What I saw yesterday was a sincere concern for our visitors and a very positive outcome. The poster provided straightforward and useful documentation for the incident. More of this please. We deserve to know what is happening and where.
Posting on social media helps us to see what's happening and where. I am seeing documentation on social media from lots of people. I appreciate the stories and information. ❤️ This helps our community become more informed.
Being an activist for Customary Use is not a bad thing at all. I truly appreciate anyone willing to stand up for our community. Keep going. Our values as a community are as important as ever before. Our beaches are some of the most beautiful in the world and people come here to enjoy them. People move here to raise their families. We are worth the effort to keep our beaches open for everyone who lives, works, invests and visits here.
Will the fight be worth it? If you love it here then absolutely it will be worth it. Don't be silent.
Beach Vendor Mafia is the only cause for lack of Public Beach access free space. Mafia sets up and People must and WILL spread out with their own beach chairs and umbrellas...
Fixed it for ya...
@Emerald Drifter ..and how about the ones in Seagrove that got all up in arms when the county announced they would be making improvements (parking,bathrooms etc) on property they ALREADY own?? Seems a bit hypocritical to deny a "property owner" the right to do what they want on their property
This post was created for honest discussion and transparency, y'all keep the childish edits and individual innuendo to another forum please. Teresa, Let's look at this objectively, without bias for a minute. Again, we agree on most ideas. We agree that responsible activists are part of American legacy, on BOTH sides of issues, we agree that we need to know what is happening in our community, that people being mistreated is wrong, that rude and disrespectful folks on BOTH sides aren't helping.
Will you also agree that activists escalating something out of nothing for sensationalist Facebook and Instagram content is wrong?
Would you also agree that such noisy orchestrated narrative materially hurts our tourist economy?
Would you agree that there are bad actors on both sides of this issue trying to amplify the division, and are hurting our chances of 30A life as we know it?
Did anyone post images of the hundreds or maybe thousands of beachgoers yesterday that were enjoying their day on private Walton County beaches without a conflict or a social media event?
At what point did this event escalate? Was it the initial discussion, or was it after activists interjected to deliberately elevate the noise and involve Sherriff? The social media posts admit that the quiet encounter was amplified only by activists.
Does it seem strange that so many vocal activists just happened to be present, with only images of them, not the two subject parties, in what some witnesses claim were staged poses for camera?
This particular activist (the one in the black baseball cap according to the police report) represents herself as the leader of the entire CU movement. What does that say to the honest members? No doubt we can do better. It's just very hard for honest discussion when things aren't as they seem.
Here's the official WCSO report. Notice the "But". You decide.
04/28/2019 : 12:39:15 intranet\so-robrhonda2 Narrative: THE COMPL REQUEST 10-45 AFTER DEPUTY MAKES CONTACT
BECAUSE COMPL IS LEAVING FOR AIRPORT
04/28/2019 : 12:38:30 intranet\so-robrhonda2 Narrative: THE COMPL JUST ASKED SOME OTHERS TO MOVE BEHIND THEM
AND THEY MOVED BUT THERE IS A FEMALE WITH BLACK BALL CAP AND PEACH BIKINI STARTED CALLING
OTHERS TO COME OVER AND TOLD COMPL TO JUST CALL THE POLICE
04/28/2019 : 12:36:28 intranet\so-robrhonda2 Narrative: ADV THERE ARE ABOUT EIGHT PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN THAT
ARE VIOLATING THE PRIVATE BEACH
I will repeat: DON'T BE SILENT. stand up for our community. Every. Day. It makes a difference. Don't let anyone tell you that you should remain silent.
Glad Reggie is NOT being silent!!!!
Well, when you title your thread that Customary Use Will Destroy our 30A Legacy, that in and of itself tells that you do not know what 30A's legacy is, at all.
Most of the magic of our quiet little beach road has been long gone.
The only thing that remains is the beach, as it has been long before any of us were born, and will be here long after we are gone. And, we want our children, grandchildren and many generations to be able to enjoy peaceful days at the beach, as we always have done.
Not quite sure how anyone can read the appropriately titled original post here, and not understand that your very point is woven throughout its entirety. We want the same thing. I just want to be honest about it, with mutual respect and lawfulness. Not irrational mob mentality that misrepresents reality and prevents the very result you claim to desire. Go back and read it again.
How can there be respect when private property owners are continuously called
mean, selfish and greedy?
How can there be respect when Daniel Uhlfelder stands in front of a townhall county meeting regarding customary use on July 18, 2018 and tell the world that his Jewish grandparents immigrated to America from Europe “because of oppression like this”....in effect pulling out the Nazi card accusing beach front owners as such. His actions show total disrespect for the Holocaust victims. Yeah respect.
And how can there be respect when “your side” perpetuates mistruths such as “BFOs stole public beach” through quiet title?...in effect painting a picture of BFOs as rich thieves. I know the masses are ignorant about this concept....but not you and especially Daniel Uhlfelder. And for the benefit of others, none of this beach that was quiet titled was NOT public beach in the first place.
It is amazing however that so so many people drink this kool-aid or should I say you continue to do a wonderful job of making and marketing mai-tais for the masses. But that’s what your tactics depend on - the general public’s ignorance of facts regarding this debate.
Your only weapons are ignorance and emotion.
Cow pastures? And you said it’s the lots closest to public beach accesses that have the loudest voices. BRILLIANT!
So why not COMPROMISE with those owners and see if they would be willing to sell an easement to the county??? Wouldn’t EVERYBODY win? Right now, the only winners are attorneys in all this litigation.
Oh yeah, your position is no compromise as well.
“We want it all or nothing.” Again, be careful what you wish for.
How can there be respect when the public is called an "ignorant,emotional mob"?
Good question, fair enough. Here's why we are at odds; By now you've all seen the "Baby Mooners" social media blitz. You all have your opinion on what happened, right? What if you talked to the ACTUAL witnesses and found out the following FACTS that anonymous sources very close to the situation are saying;
What if The couple set up in front of chairs on private property?
What if They were quietly and politely approached?
What if They were informed that in order to stay on that particular private property, they were invited to please move behind the owners chairs, or to the side, just down beach a little?
What if They politely agreed and immediately moved as suggested?
What if that was it, done, finished, Everyone was happy?
What if the HOA has a long standing policy of not removing respectful visitors, like this couple?
What if Then, a frequent trespasser inserted herself and started videotaping, and created a scene?
What if She approached the by now content couple, and started yelling?
What if She summoned the complainant and challenged her private property rights?
What if She repeated “Call the cops, call the cops, call the cops”?
What if Meanwhile, she called and yelled for her friends to come and get into the pictures and video?
What if The sheriff was called/notified of the loud woman in the black hat creating a scene, NOT the young couple?
What if they responded and wrote a report of above?
What then? Still feel the same about the emotional response to a non event?
Jodi, the image here, and every time we see this on private property, is sourced directly from the leaders of this movement. But since they block any alternate views and access to all of their social media sites, no one ever hears the other, sometimes quite different, side of the story. It is generally agreed upon opinion that this censored public and emotional voice creates a mob mentality, on purpose. Luckily, there is this forum where we can have intelligent discourse. We can surely do better.
You are getting a bit over-heated about ONE INCIDENT that obviously has two opposing versions. There have probably been hundreds of incidents in the last few years that have unfolded in multiple ways, some worse, some better. In reality, all this hot air doesn’t solve anything. The issue is now in the court system BECAUSE of HR631. The BFO’s obviously have an army of high powered, high dollar lawyers and the issue has probably been decided behind closed doors just like every decision made in this county. Your badgering doesn’t much matter, does it?
A little daylight on the beach is good for the soul. Don’t forget, property owners are being sued, they did not start this. They either hire defense attorneys or lose family fortunes innocently invested in private property.
...”lose family fortunes” ? Wow! That’s a stretch. I thought this was about one right out of their bundle of rights which was never included when they bought their bundle of rights because it was superseded by the ancient human right of customary use. I didn’t know these poor people were in danger of losing their family fortunes. Oh please continue your badgering, by all means.
The property owners are the ones that sued first....turn about is fair play. As for them "losing family fortunes"...maybe they should have in vested in gold instead of an over-priced beach house.
Yeah that's like never happened to anyone around here.
Feeling cute, might invest in real estate...idk.
Is there anyone that would like to read the premise of this original post, and then have an intelligent conversation about the actual historical facts of this county mismanagement? We could avoid the knee jerk talking points that are based on a slash and burn agenda, and the onslaught of misinformation as evidenced above? It’s like nobody read the original post, or can’t follow the history? Or maybe there is no desire to have a legitimate discourse?
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