just a note of distinction, if it requires a license by the State, it isn't a right -- It's a privilege.
Gay Marriage - poll added
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I have to disagree, your comparing this to a driver's liscense or proffesional liscense. Those require a test, a marriage liscense does not.
Florida has discontinued mandatory blood testing.
requiring a test is not the difference. You get a license to drive a vehicle on the beach, have a Dog permit, etc. There is no right to get married, at least the last time I checked the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Requiring a license for whatever is just the way the gov't tries to control behavior of society and also "protect" the public. Think about how silly it is that the gov't has control over your marriage (or lack of) by requiring a license. I think it is just wrong that they require such a thing, period! If I want to marry, it is a something that doesn't require a stupid license from the gov't. Sure, it is easier to comply and get the license (if one is hetero, marrying hetero), so people do it. Gotta get that damn gov't stamp of approval.
Requiring a license for whatever is just the way the gov't tries to control behavior of society and also "protect" the public. Think about how silly it is that the gov't has control over your marriage (or lack of) by requiring a license. I think it is just wrong that they require such a thing, period! If I want to marry, it is a something that doesn't require a stupid license from the gov't. Sure, it is easier to comply and get the license (if one is hetero, marrying hetero), so people do it. Gotta get that damn gov't stamp of approval.
Well now, here on this part, I have to disagree. I am looking at my insurance renewal as administrator, and the single premium is half the amount of the married/ couple premium. I also recall a small thing called the marriage penalty in the day I was a married. Also,when you're a married woman, you may be passed up for promotions vs. a single man or woman since they figure you might get pregnant and stay home with child. Or, single people who now have children out of wedlock and we, as a society, are expected to sympathize with them as well. The boat rocks both ways.
As far as loans, it is illegal to discriminate against anyone based on gender, marital status, race, etc., so loan rates are not higher for single people.
and Nohall, weren't you the one in the lounge that asked us to find you a sugar daddy to marry? ;-)
Wow. Do you know how many times I've been kindly advised to just go ahead and have a child if I plan to, before it's too late? And yet I have not. I doubt that single mothers look at society's sympathy as their primary goal in life.
The ones I've had are based on my income. Oddly enough, it's half of what I would make as a couple. I've had loan officers tell me outright that I would have an easier time refinancing if I were married. They can't discriminate, but don't tell me that it's just as easy to get a mortgage as a single woman!
As for insurance premiums being half as much, lets go back to the half-the-salary of a couple issue...
And that would contradict my argument in what way?
Hail yes it would be nice to just have someone help me paint my $#@! crown molding. But I've also gone on the record as saying that I'd rather die alone than be stuck in a bad marriage. Like SJ said, the grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank.
Yet I still have many different boxes to choose from on any loan application to describe my marital status and noone can explain to me why there are boxes for unmarried and single.
Actually, they don't. There's this thing called separation of powers. The courts do not make or change laws. The legislature does that. The court can interpret or invalidate laws, but it can't change them.
I disagree SWGB. The whole 14 years of my gay partnership have been a test--"of my sanity"!!! Call me crazy, we still want the Cali license though....even if there is a public referendum and they throw it out in November. We have been called by a higher power.
Wow. Do you know how many times I've been kindly advised to just go ahead and have a child if I plan to, before it's too late? And yet I have not. I doubt that single mothers look at society's sympathy as their primary goal in life.
The ones I've had are based on my income. Oddly enough, it's half of what I would make as a couple. I've had loan officers tell me outright that I would have an easier time refinancing if I were married. They can't discriminate, but don't tell me that it's just as easy to get a mortgage as a single woman!
As for insurance premiums being half as much, lets go back to the half-the-salary of a couple issue...
And that would contradict my argument in what way?
a) I meant to include all unmarried persons with children. It doesn't have to be a choice. It could have happened that way, the relationship was never headed to marriage in the first place. I didn't mean to put now, since that changes the tone, but, yes, now that you mention it, single woman have gone to sperm banks to have a child who are racing the biological clock and never had any intentions of marrying, ever. b) if your income and credit are the same as a married couple, a single person would get the same exact rate as the married couple, without getting into details about your transaction. c) What about half the salary of a married couple? I am not following.
Unmarried means not married. Single is a nice way of asking if you are separated. Edit: I've been in the biz too long.Yet I still have many different boxes to choose from on any loan application to describe my marital status and noone can explain to me why there are boxes for unmarried and single.
Single was added also when the domestic partner check box was added, because legally gays were not getting "married". There have been so many changes over the years, I am losing my train of thought. But that's the reason. Also, in the spirit of this thread, we have come a long way re: loan apps for mortgages. The loan application also now has a check box if someone has a domestic partner. This started with CT allowing domestic partnerships, and it being a community property State. This means that if you become domestic partners, you have all the same rights as a married couple pertaining to real estate as far as title/heir is concerned. Hopefully, one day, we may see just a check box for married without differentiating and pointing out that someone is homosexual. I didn't like it when it came out, and felt it to be discriminatory, but, it's a start in the right direction at least.
What about half the salary of a married couple? I am not following.
Maybe it's too simple:
If I make $50,000 a year, my household has an income of $50,000 per year. If my husband and I both make $50,000 per year, we have $100,000 per year. That means that as a couple we can afford to buy twice the house that a single person can buy.