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Get the lead out of yer herbs
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Skunky....and the pharma industry isnt in a state of crap??? The same claims and accusations can be made about Big Pharma which is mostly profit driven and riff with false claims, poor trial studies and questionable side effects sometimes not known for years later.
I think that, like certain supplements, there are good and useful drugs when used appropriately, have health/life saving benefits. But as you stated....buyer beware!
I think that, like certain supplements, there are good and useful drugs when used appropriately, have health/life saving benefits. But as you stated....buyer beware!
Personally, it goes back to the golden rule for me. Anyone can believe in what God, medicine or whatever they like as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to be forced to think or live like anyone else, but who the hell am I to say someone else is wrong? I've been wrong on many things, that from the outside looked pretty open and shut. I want others to stay out of my choices and I, respectfully, will stay out of theirs. That's just my opinion and it holds no more weight than any other, but holds no less either.Live and let live.
I believe in refraining from offering unsolicited viewpoints as a rule in the daily course of life, but when a deliberate and premeditated discussion forms, those niceties do not apply and anything goes! As a rule I wouldn't tell somebody they are wrong, but if somebody wants to engage as is happening here [on this thread], that's a different story. If you feel sure of something, you might be right about it, so it would be immoral not to state your case IMO [unless it's some trivial matter]. You'd be obligated to tell somebody you thought they were mistaken under certain circumstances. Otherwise live and let live, or let die whatever, it's not my damn problem, agreed.
This is a discussion board, so I don't see the benefit of holding back when the BS meter is in the red. If I find out I'm wrong then I'd learn from it without looking back. That should be enough. I heard someone else say that all opinions have merit. Well they are frying the BS meter to the point where it is smokin'. Johnny Cochrane won court cases because of people like that.
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Is that from Revenge of the Stepford Wives?
Just to point out your ignorance on the topic of vitamins alone, this is taken right from the Dept. of Health and Human Services web site relative to folic acid and pregnancy:
It seems it would be seriously negligent to tell someone not to supplement their diets with this crucial vitamin (which lowers the risk of neural tube defects by 70%) prior to or during pregnancy because there might be the added risk of trace contaminants; of which you can not prove even exists in foods that are fortified or that these possible trace contaminants could result in physical harm to the fetus and/or later in life.
I bet it is hard to be a doctor, have the health and well-being of your patients in your hands (and on your mind 24/7), and have a percentage of your patients trying to cure themselves with stuff they read on the internet or Redbook, or hear from the salesperson at the GNC store or an infomercial. Of course there are educated patients out there- but the ones posting on this thread are not the norm- you have taken the time to research. Skunky's words have obviously hit a nerve with you- sit in the other chair and have sick people look at you- sick people you know how to make better, and know they will walk out the door and do what they want because they think they know better (or have read another too-good-to be-true scam that sounds easier than what the doc ordered).
I think Skunky was posting out of frustration, and some of you need to take some St. John's Wort and maybe a little kava kava because he seems to have hit a nerve. His dry sense of humor might not be immediately apparent in his posts, but before you start attacking him, maybe you need to know that one of the reasons patients love him is that he doesn't hand out prescriptions like candy, and actually works hard to get people off many of the unecessary drugs (prescription, herbs, and quack) other docs here and elsewhere have given to them.
When it comes down to it, I want my doctor to look at me and say "if it's too good to be true, it probably is" - he won't take chances with my health, my time, or my money.
I think Skunky was posting out of frustration, and some of you need to take some St. John's Wort and maybe a little kava kava because he seems to have hit a nerve. His dry sense of humor might not be immediately apparent in his posts, but before you start attacking him, maybe you need to know that one of the reasons patients love him is that he doesn't hand out prescriptions like candy, and actually works hard to get people off many of the unecessary drugs (prescription, herbs, and quack) other docs here and elsewhere have given to them.
When it comes down to it, I want my doctor to look at me and say "if it's too good to be true, it probably is" - he won't take chances with my health, my time, or my money.
Thanks, and with that said, I am going to check out for awhile. I am really interested to find out the origins of the various Vitamin D/Calcium supplements, as this is indeed one that I routinely recommend to older folks. And contrary to popular belief, I saw a study last year that suggests we do not get enough Vitamin D from the sun, even here in Florida!
And I might also add, if your healthcare provider dispenses supplements in her office, ask if you can find out the country of manufacture. Not two months ago someone came in to discuss alcohol addiction;this john doe brought in four or five vials of some brew in cobalt blue botttles dispensed by a 'natural healer' operating on 30-A. She said they made her feel sick and asked what I thought. I was floored to see that the only English on the labels was a list of dozens of Asian herbs (I guess they were herbs, all the names were terms like 'moo goo gai pan', etc., and I do mean dozens of names like that on each bottle. The rest of the labeling was written in an alphabet that looked like Russian. Seriously. And to boot, this provider sold her this junk for near $500. Not surprisingly, he/she felt worse after drinking this stuff as directed by his/her healer and had not one iota improvement in alcohol addiction. I suggested she throw it away. This is the stuff that drives me nuts.
My morning snooping - y'all ready!
Called NOW FOODS - very very nice man helped me. He was very open and said that YES, the vit C was made in China and that they did strict quality testing at their facility here in the states. I asked him WHY it didn't say that on my bottle and he said that labeling "country of origin" was not standard practice. So Skunky gets it right when he says that the bottle label doesn't mean it is made in that country.
THEN I next called Pfizer and boy did I get the run around. I simply asked if they could tell me what drugs, if any are manufactured in China. She asked my name, spelling of my last name, my phone number and then put me on hold for 10 minutes. When she came back she said: "I'm not at liberty to give that information"! After I pressed further, she said ok, you tell me a drug and I'll look and see where it is made. So I said Lipitor - and she said Ireland and Puerto Rico and then I said Viagra and she said France. So I said, "can't you even tell me if you manufacture any drugs in China?" And she stumbled around and finally said well we do have a place in Beiging, People's Rep of China but that's as far as she would take it.... so IDK
Appears from further research that A LOT and I mean A LOT of things, not just supplements are made in China and NO ONE WANTS US TO KNOW lol!
Now, back to my real life, yes, I do have one ha ha!
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Called NOW FOODS - very very nice man helped me. He was very open and said that YES, the vit C was made in China and that they did strict quality testing at their facility here in the states. I asked him WHY it didn't say that on my bottle and he said that labeling "country of origin" was not standard practice. So Skunky gets it right when he says that the bottle label doesn't mean it is made in that country.
THEN I next called Pfizer and boy did I get the run around. I simply asked if they could tell me what drugs, if any are manufactured in China. She asked my name, spelling of my last name, my phone number and then put me on hold for 10 minutes. When she came back she said: "I'm not at liberty to give that information"! After I pressed further, she said ok, you tell me a drug and I'll look and see where it is made. So I said Lipitor - and she said Ireland and Puerto Rico and then I said Viagra and she said France. So I said, "can't you even tell me if you manufacture any drugs in China?" And she stumbled around and finally said well we do have a place in Beiging, People's Rep of China but that's as far as she would take it.... so IDK
Appears from further research that A LOT and I mean A LOT of things, not just supplements are made in China and NO ONE WANTS US TO KNOW lol!
Now, back to my real life, yes, I do have one ha ha!
G
My morning snooping - y'all ready!
Called NOW FOODS - very very nice man helped me. He was very open and said that YES, the vit C was made in China and that they did strict quality testing at their facility here in the states. I asked him WHY it didn't say that on my bottle and he said that labeling "country of origin" was not standard practice. So Skunky gets it right when he says that the bottle label doesn't mean it is made in that country.
THEN I next called Pfizer and boy did I get the run around. I simply asked if they could tell me what drugs, if any are manufactured in China. She asked my name, spelling of my last name, my phone number and then put me on hold for 10 minutes. When she came back she said: "I'm not at liberty to give that information"! After I pressed further, she said ok, you tell me a drug and I'll look and see where it is made. So I said Lipitor - and she said Ireland and Puerto Rico and then I said Viagra and she said France. So I said, "can't you even tell me if you manufacture any drugs in China?" And she stumbled around and finally said well we do have a place in Beiging, People's Rep of China but that's as far as she would take it.... so IDK
Appears from further research that A LOT and I mean A LOT of things, not just supplements are made in China and NO ONE WANTS US TO KNOW lol!
Now, back to my real life, yes, I do have one ha ha!
G
My $100 per month Doctor ordered nasal spray is made in China.
More and more it seems that Papa Scooterbug might have been on to something by telling us the mold on the cheese/bread in the fridge was just as good as what the doctor gave you. 