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Lynnie

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I always get a kick out of people who simply can't admit that our shiiite really does stink. What's the big deal? :dunno: Fix it and move on. So what if other countries know it too?

What the GOP needs to do is embrace and nominate a candidiate who is electable. This person is purely fictitious at this point. Some thought it might have been Bobby Jindal. Well, his 15 minutes of fame are over. Seriously who do you have? Answer: NOBODY!!!!

I don't think Bobby Jindal would be a good candidate.
 

LuciferSam

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Without Obama your party would be in the same boat. Regardless, the presidential election isn't what's at issue right now, it's the congressional elections in a year and a half. Confidence polls change, but right now, your party is behind the GOP on a lot of issues. I think that bodes well for the kind of change I like to see in Washington - a change to balanced government.

No, if it weren't for Obama, Hillary would likely be president right now. Palin totally ruined McCain's ticket, and she continues to ruin the party. She's the thing that wouldn't leave. I'm sure there are a lot of good Republicans but right now the party is controlled by the trash talking obstructionist Limbaugh types. They have to go. And you really do need a party leader right now who the people could envision as president. I don't think that day will come until the GOP as it stands today is totally dismantled.

I think by the time of the mid terms the economy will have recovered somewhat. Obama's stimulus will have some effect , but it will be primarily due to Fed policy and the natural economic cycle. That's what happened during the Reagan years, only his stimulus came in the form of tax cuts. Either way the defecit increases.

Some of the fundementals are much better than they were back in the 80s. Interest rates and inflation (at the moment) are low. Unemployment is not nearly as bad as it was at the end of the Carter years. There's a very good chance of a recovery with Obama getting a lot of credit, some of which may be undeserved (just like Reagan). Oh Well ....:dunno:
 
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Blair

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No, if it weren't for Obama, Hillary would likely be president right now. Palin totally ruined McCain's ticket, and she continues to ruin the party. She's the thing that wouldn't leave. I'm sure there are a lot of good Republicans but right now the party is controlled by the trash talking obstructionist Limbaugh types. They have to go. And you really do need a party leader right now who the people could envision as president. I don't think that day will come until the GOP as it stands today is totally dismantled.

I think by the time of the mid terms the economy will have recovered somewhat. Obama's stimulus will have some effect , but it will be primarily due to Fed policy and the natural economic cycle. That's what happened during the Reagan years, only his stimulus came in the form of tax cuts. Either way the defecit increases.

Some of the fundementals are much better than they were back in the 80s. Interest rates and inflation (at the moment) are low. Unemployment is not nearly as bad as it was at the end of the Carter years. There's a very good chance of a recovery with Obama getting a lot of credit, some of which may be undeserved (just like Reagan). Oh Well ....:dunno:

You should check again on what caused the deficits to increase under Reagan...
Also check the unemployment numbers when Reagan left office....
 

LuciferSam

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You should check again on what caused the deficits to increase under Reagan...
Also check the unemployment numbers when Reagan left office....

I believe that unemployment was low when Reagan left office. I certainly stated nothing to the contrary. I might be wrong about that. If I recall, the fundamentals of the economy were decent when Reagan left office. My post referred to the recovery that occurred when he assumed office. He inherited very high unemployment from during the Carter years. Eventually we recovered from the triple whammy of double digit interest rates, unemployment, and inflation. This was achieved rather painfully by Fed chairman keeping interest rates very high. Eventually this brought down inflation and eventually other fundamentals improved as well. My point was that in my opinion, in some ways we are in a better situation than we were back in 1983.
 
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30ashopper

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I believe that unemployment was low when Reagan left office. I certainly stated nothing to the contrary. I might be wrong about that. If I recall, the fundamentals of the economy were decent when Reagan left office. My post referred to the recovery that occurred when he assumed office. He inherited very high unemployment from during the Carter years. Eventually we recovered from the triple whammy of double digit interest rates, unemployment, and inflation. This was achieved rather painfully by Fed chairman keeping interest rates very high. Eventually this brought down inflation and eventually other fundamentals improved as well. My point was that in my opinion, in some ways we are in a better situation than we were back in 1983.

Oh man, are you in for a surprise. :D We haven't even gotten to the inflation part yet, although with oil hitting 70 a barrel and the dollar falling to lows not seen since December, we might be on the cusp of something big right now.
 

LuciferSam

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Oh man, are you in for a surprise. :D We haven't even gotten to the inflation part yet, although with oil hitting 70 a barrel and the dollar falling to lows not seen since December, we might be on the cusp of something big right now.

The possibility of inflation would be my biggest worry, only because I've heard rumblings about it. I don't have a good understanding of what might bring it on. The other really bad thing about today's economy is that the "safe" investments offer returns well below the rate of inflation. perhaps you'd like to offer up a good inflation scenario, worst case, with causes.:D
 

hnooe

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With only 1 out of 5 polled today even admitting to being a Republican, than any rally of confidence and of optomism is really a good thing for their party's future. (Interestingly the number of who people that describe themselves as Moderates , Conservative, or Liberals hasnt changed in the last 8 years.

I think by continuing to ignore and alienate the vast group Independents won't help their cause while the Dems strength and numbers, continues to grow.

Dems Making Massive Gains As GOP Deteriorates: Pew Poll
 
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rancid

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I agree - in global markets, we are work (or should) work together. However, just because other nations are socialized doesn't mean we have to become that. Nor should we ever try to please or appease another nation when it comes to our standards.

If I don't want to trade with Mom and Pop down the street, I go one street over.....I don't project my beliefs on what obviously works for Mom and Pop down the street.

When I travel, I generally can get CNN and BBC. I prefer BBC over CNN any day of the week.....


I hope you used this same logic in your opposition to invading Iraq and establishing a form of government to your liking in their country. Funny when the shoe is on the other foot.
 

30ashopper

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The possibility of inflation would be my biggest worry, only because I've heard rumblings about it. I don't have a good understanding of what might bring it on. The other really bad thing about today's economy is that the "safe" investments offer returns well below the rate of inflation. perhaps you'd like to offer up a good inflation scenario, worst case, with causes.:D

I think inflation is coming, just looking at the money supply and the fed balance sheet. When is another question. I just look at the current numbers, and see signs of it, or the effects of investors seeing it as likely. Impossible to tell really when and how bad it will be.
 

LuciferSam

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I think inflation is coming, just looking at the money supply and the fed balance sheet. When is another question. I just look at the current numbers, and see signs of it, or the effects of investors seeing it as likely. Impossible to tell really when and how bad it will be.

I think it depends on how the Fed handles things if inflation looks like it's getting out of hand. I found this: Kitco - Commentaries - Paul Nathan
 
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