Hands Across the Sand-Join us to stop near shore Oil Drilling In Florida Waters

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  1. captgee

    captgee Beach Crab

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    i guess if everyone knew they are why we have tar balls, they're mainly coming from oiltankers. half of the oil is used to make plastic,which our economy now requires for everything we use,so lets not berate an SUV,or a LSV. a prius doesn't use leather, so it takes more plastic to make! we all need to use less plastic and have the drilling in only federal waters to help stop the endless(and mindless) banter of dilling in the gulf.oh by the way, there were drilling rigs south of Destin and Pensacola before. they didn't cause any tar balls to wash up on the beach! there was a senator from from Crestview who misrepresented his facts,but drilling and finding oil could help the Florida economy with much needed taxes and royalties.
     
  2. Chandra

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    Finger pointing rarely has the intended result of making people take action, though NOLA's point is valid and one that I have believed from the beginning of the proposed rally, needs further discussion. We need people fighting the good fight of protecting our beaches to the best of our abilities, AND we need education and policies on how we can reduce the pressure on the extraction of our non-renewable resources.

    Our high standard of living makes us the greatest energy consumer in the world, though that extra energy consumption hasn't necessarily equated to a better quality of life. As soon as I can find the stats on this, I'll post. With an increasing population and everyone in the world aspiring to our standard of living, energy security will continue to be a priority. The greatest challenge humans currently face is figuring out a way to reduce our energy consumption while achieving (in the case of developing countries) and maintaining quality of life standards.

    Personal transportation vehicles are only a small part of the energy problem. A greater percentage of a barrel of oil actual goes to the production of diesel for on and off road transportation - think agriculture and shipping. So our food choices, building material choices, and consumption patterns, are equally as important as our mode of transportaion. Higher fuel efficient cars are not the silver bullet to reduce energy use. The way we inhabit the land has an even greater effect. We use less resources when we develop land in ways that allow us to live closer to the things we need.
     
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    I really don't understand how anyone can think that oil drilling off our coast is a good idea.

    In terms of both our economy and our natural resources it's like letting a 7 year old play with a chainsaw. Yes, there are safety features and there isn't a 100% guarantee that something awful will happen, but it's still a really bad idea w/ potentially disastrous consequences.
     
  5. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Florida does not need rescuing from Big oil.

    Florida does not need rescuing from Big oil. Florida needs rescuing from Florida. Much needed taxes and royalties? Gimme a break, if our legislators and local county governments had not got caught up in the feverish speculative real estate economy we would not be in this mess.

    Our state government is responsible for keeping the state financially solid. So, the oil companies bail us out? And then what?? We let them do what ever they want because they "rescued" us and along the way risking our environment and a healthy tourism based economy? NO thanks boys. Our government got us in this mess and they can get us out. The oil companies would just love to be our saviors. NO thanks. Our tourism, sunshine, clean waters, clean beaches and just plain Florida Hospitality will create all the jobs we need to get us out of this mess.

    Clean energy; solar specifically, is the answer to our future energy policy and it's about time we had some leaders who will advance solar instead of embracing pre-historic energy. Welcome to the Sunshine State on all fronts.

    Join Hands Florida! February 13! It's Valentines Weekend.
    You love your beach don't you?

    Dave Rauschkolb

    www.handsacrossthesand.org





     
  6. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Shaffer's post last week was laughable; I almost fell out of my chair. Very entertaining and no response needed. Yes, he very well could be credited with helping our cause. Thanks for joining hands with us on Feb 13th.

    It's Valentines weekend...you love your beach don't you?


     
  7. Dave Rauschkolb

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    SAFE? or "Swift Boat Veterans For Truth and Death Panels"

    Securing America?s Future Energy (SAFE), AHH, SAFE, go to the website and consider the source. Just have a look at the people on the board and you will see it is an Oil Industry tool. Lot's of well paid retired military. NO one who is active duty and they are well paid to refute the actual active duty people who are making the decisions. They can't escape the fact that the ACTIVE DUTY BASE COMMANDER of Eglin emphatically said oil drilling would have a negative effect on the military mission.

    Securing America's Future Energy | Biographies




     
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    Exxon just doesn't seem to be able to transport oil very well.
     
  10. Beauty hunter

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    I am truly working on my diplomacy skills as there are rules on this board all of which I'm not sure of, but am a little rusty this morning with it.
    If you think the citizen quote at the bottom of your post is so true then you should include all the names of the people involved in this effort to keep our beaches beautiful, but I've noticed they are just doing their best to get the job done and not looking to have their picture in the paper. It seems like most everytime Dave posts, you pop up and ask for the credit- this is not a one man band operation. Dave's motive is clear, but yours is a bit muddy. I'm sorry, it wasn't in your post, who did you say you worked for?
    There is a big difference between what our military needs to do for national security and what corporations do to further their income- let's not mix the two as if they are one and the same. The "chum fields" are to prevent our families from being chum. Chum and oil do not mix.
    I smell a rat here somewhere, but can't quite place my finger on it.
    Please clear this up as I have nothing personal against you, but I want to know the truth, something isn't adding up here.:wave:
    Also, my personal apologies if I am misinterpreting the situation here.

    Note to Kurt, If I am out of line as to how I expressed myself feel free to delete, this was the diplomatic version for me.
     
  11. Just Curious

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    I would support those LSV's on 30-A ;-)
     
  12. WaltonIsOne

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    Response to Beauty Hunter

    You deserve a response to your questions, though I am unsure if I answer them adequately or to your liking. Please excuse the long post.

    I apologize if my recent post confuses you. You are quite possibly misinterpreting the situation as a result of a lack of clarity on my post's part. And the "popping up" for credit is definitely not my motive and is presumably a misinterpretation on your part. I personally deserve no credit for anything regarding the Hands Across the Sand "cause".

    My post was not meant to do anything other than point to press articles, etc. to keep others who are interested informed of either realities or (mis)perceptions published in the press.

    The past and most recent mentions of R Shaffer's letters/articles in the Sun since November are nothing more that a realization that Shaffer's original letter published in the Sun in November 2009 triggered about 4 weeks of press response from Sun readers supporting the "cause" as well as an opportunity for Dave to have his article published in the Sun. Indeed all of these exchanges in the press provided additional press exposure opportunities for the Hands Across the Sand "cause". It has nothing to do with me personally. It is the "cause" that was, in my view, better served. I do know that in my small personal circle of people I know, they have been made more aware of the cause as a result of the various articles and Letters to the Editor of the Sun being published.

    As for my quote "Citizens are stronger when they stick together", the quote is aimed at presenting a point in which when citizens gather, work, and "stick" together for a common cause, "real" change can take place. Not the "perceived" or "promised" change that many folks tend to vote for in political elections.

    This quote is aimed at something much larger than the Hands Across the Sand cause itself. Particularly it is focused on a personal view that there is a need to change the "wrong" direction that Walton County, the State of Florida and our Federal Government are headed. In particular, the wrong direction of these government organizations is mainly a waste of our tax dollars, the fact that many (if not the majority) government employees are incompetent and do not serve the citizens, as well as the fact that government employees are too numerous and too highly paid. Our tax dollars need to be better applied and more efficiently utilized to serve citizens and not be used to serve politicians and incompetent government workers.

    This "wrong direction" has nothing to do with one person, but the need for the citizens of this country to direct and focus both politicians as well as local, state and federal government employees on their mandate of "truly" serving the citizenship locally, throughout the state and countywide. The mandate would also include that these politicians and employees not be directed by "Special Interests". As anyone can plainly see, the waste of our tax dollars is present throughout all of Walton County. And, for example, the wasting of Walton County tax dollars can be stopped by ALL of the citizens of Walton County, if we just "stick" together to stop this practice.

    If you sincerely desire a list of the citizens who are working together to keep our beaches beautiful, then maybe you and I should work together to get names of everyone who participates in the Hands Across the Sand on February 13th. That list might come in handy in the future.

    Please excuse the long post.

    "Citizens are stronger when they stick together" (Quote from WaltonIsOne)
     
  13. Jesus

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    Dave, I think it's great what you are doing here. Just wanted you to know that you have my blessing and that I'll be there.
     
  14. scooterbug44

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    WaltonIsOne -
    How about you don't try to co-opt the event to fit your political philosophy and don't try to collect a list of the people participating. :roll:

    This is about oil drilling destroying our beaches.
     
  15. WaltonIsOne

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    Just responding the question(s) posted by BeautyHunter.

    Scooterbug, Your desires are acknowledged and agreed.

    Nothing more and nothing less.


    "Citizens are stronger when they stick together" (Quote from WaltonIsOne)
     
  16. captgee

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    i don't propose that oil drilling is our economy's fix,but it is needed to keep our money here in the USA. we need oil to sustain life as we know,if you want to stop oil drilling :then try to live without it just one day.you will end up getting arrested for indecent exposure(no clothes) as you are walking barefooted to the gulf to handcatch fish to fill your empty belly. i know that it is inevitable that oil spills happen,but many oil spills are 100% naturally occurring seepage from crevaces on the ocean floor. there has to be a common ground to compromise,either give all our money to other countries and still have oil spills here when transported in our waters,or slow oil consumption to where we don't need more oil! it's everybody's problem. you can build more on 30A,but they can't come without gas for their cars!
     
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    IMHO...I not only oppose drilling in our backyard. I oppose bombs shaking,rattling and destroying the foundation of my home. It is evident and it is real. I am all for protecting our country, however when my house shakes like an earthquake experience, I can't help but wonder if some kind of shelf might be created and I will eventually be floated out to sea. Just a thought.
     
  18. rapunzel

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    I bet the base was here before your house.
     
  19. Matt J

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    It's a shame that you're anti drilling since that would effectively end any military presence here.
     
  20. Matt J

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    That's where you are DEAD wrong. The oil extracted from the Gulf of Mexico would be sold on the world market just as oil extracted from the rest of the USA is.

    Money is a renewable resource. Oil is not. Should we completely deplete our own resources to deny Canada and Mexico (the two countries we import the most oil from) a few dollars or pesos?

    Everyone agrees that we are a military powerhouse, and that's mostly because of the military machines we posses that run on petroleum. I don't see a solar powered tank, fighter jet, or bomber in the near future. Should we risk our future national defense by using our current resources? Should we weaken our defense by drilling for minute amounts of oil in unique and unmatched military training grounds?

    Do your research and quit listening to the pundits. Asking someone paid in any way, shape, or form by an oil company if drilling in the Gulf is a good idea is like asking a tobacco company if smoking is bad for you, liquor company if drinking is bad for you, or pornographer if porn is bad for you. Odds are they smile, take your money, and tell you everything will be just fine.
     
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