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30A Skunkape

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It is all about the soundbites. "Everyone will go in for routine care" sounds great. But in practice, an amotivated patient is just filling in an appointment slot. And just what the heck would become of somebody that didn't want to go to the doctor? They get tossed in jail? They are locked out of all healthcare in the future? It is so absurd, and it is literally frightening that some people buy into this junk.
 

Smiling JOe

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Hillary must have threatened major lawsuits against Youtube.com because they have pulled all of the SouthPark episodes making fun of Hillary and her southern voice in Selma, AL.
 

Smiling JOe

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So what does mean??? :eek: Hillary says that the surge is working and that "we have to be prepared to fight the new war." Is she really saying that we will have more wars to fight when she is elected, and that the people who put her in office are the ones who will benefit financially via gov't contracts? :dunno:
 
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Bob

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I'll give Hillary credit for learning from her mistakes. She clearly understands the best tactic to broaden government intrusion in the medical arena is to enter via the back door. This talking point about Bush denying healthcare to children is bunk-ola. He will happily renew the SCHIP program as it exists;what he rightly opposes is an expansion of the program that broadens the definition of a child to somebody up to 25 years of age living at home (!) and expanding benefits to include families earning up to $80,000 per year (!!!). I don't call an unemployed 24 year old living at home a child, I call them a bum, and people bringing home $80,000 don't need any of my tax dollars to procure insurance for their kiddies. Basically, expanding SCHIP as Hillary desires guarantees hundreds of thousands, if not millions will depend on the government to secure health insurance for them. Then, at some point down the road when the program is to be renewed, there will be an attempt to broaden the beneficiary pool yet again, and again, and the moochers who like somebody else 'taking care of them' will raise a fuss about how unfair they are being treated (dreading of course the confrontion with their deadbeat adult kids about getting off the couch and paying their own way through life).:bang: :pissed:
I know healthcare is your profession, but you seem to get more fired up about the government providing basic healthcare for people than hosing 2-3 billion a week in Iraq. Is that a fair observation, or am I just angry that UCF is my hometown team? 80k a year for a family in many major cities is not a substantial income. Heck, Walton county is paying over 100k for their Bug Czar. I also see no problem for a 24 year old at home if they're still in school, or starting at the bottom trying to save for a new home. Government healthcare is inevitable, as they already make up most spokes of the wheel with Medicare/caid, Military, Federal agencies. I think it sad many prisoners in our country have seen a doctor more than hard working folks of modest means. Moore's film about the state of healthcare in the U.S, has many valid points.
 

Smiling JOe

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Speaking of Hillary, why is it that these candidates address only "their" party? I thought the President was supposed to represent all the people, not only their party. (this applies to both sides):dunno:
 

Smiling JOe

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Here is another question for you. InYouTube - HILLARY CLINTON @ DNC: "I'll End This War", Hillary says that if she had been President, she would not have started this war. In Dec 1998, Bill Clinton sent our troops to Iraq for combat. In 2002, Hillary voted to give an open checkbook to GWBush and allowed our troops to go to war, without even questioning the reasons why. Now, she says that she wouldn't have started this war. I think she speaks with a forked tongue. Can anyone explain this one to me? :dunno:
 

Miss Kitty

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Okay...that takes care of Hillary...who's next? :D :wave:
 

30A Skunkape

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I know healthcare is your profession, but you seem to get more fired up about the government providing basic healthcare for people than hosing 2-3 billion a week in Iraq. Is that a fair observation, or am I just angry that UCF is my hometown team? 80k a year for a family in many major cities is not a substantial income. Heck, Walton county is paying over 100k for their Bug Czar. I also see no problem for a 24 year old at home if they're still in school, or starting at the bottom trying to save for a new home. Government healthcare is inevitable, as they already make up most spokes of the wheel with Medicare/caid, Military, Federal agencies. I think it sad many prisoners in our country have seen a doctor more than hard working folks of modest means. Moore's film about the state of healthcare in the U.S, has many valid points.

What is your definition of basic healthcare? I assure you, the government will provide us not with healthcare but will legislate volumes of rules, regulations, red tape, tax increases and beuraucracy while placing the burden of living within an incredibly complex system on providers and patients that may very well limit access to basic, and probably advanced healthcare in the first place. When I was 24 I had an apartment, worked and went to school...I also had a policy from Blue Cross that cost less than $100 per month. You know what I didn't have? Cable TV, the sacrifice of which covered more than half of my monthly premium. It is about people getting their priorities straight, and the same can be said of the family making $80k. If they can't make ends meet, then adjust something and make your family a priority-if adults bring kids into the world, it is their responsibility to make sure their basic needs are met, and, I dare say, basic healthcare is a fundamental need any parent worth their salt will bust their rump to provide their offspring. I agree that helping more people of modest means attain access to routine healthcare is an admirable goal, but I do not want the feds trying to fix it! I think a much better way of going about this is to let those folks spend $40 for an annual office visit, another $40 on annual lab tests and utilize generic medications if the need arises. This is not a fantasy! It could be accomplished if more people let go of the concept that they need health insurance for routine medical services and simply paid out of pocket for office visits AND purchased insurance to cover hospitalization, which would be a much more affordable policy than one that covers everything from office visits to drugs to ICU care.
 

Jdarg

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What is your definition of basic healthcare? I assure you, the government will provide us not with healthcare but will legislate volumes of rules, regulations, red tape, tax increases and beuraucracy while placing the burden of living within an incredibly complex system on providers and patients that may very well limit access to basic, and probably advanced healthcare in the first place. When I was 24 I had an apartment, worked and went to school...I also had a policy from Blue Cross that cost less than $100 per month. You know what I didn't have? Cable TV, the sacrifice of which covered more than half of my monthly premium. It is about people getting their priorities straight, and the same can be said of the family making $80k. If they can't make ends meet, then adjust something and make your family a priority-if adults bring kids into the world, it is their responsibility to make sure their basic needs are met, and, I dare say, basic healthcare is a fundamental need any parent worth their salt will bust their rump to provide their offspring. I agree that helping more people of modest means attain access to routine healthcare is an admirable goal, but I do not want the feds trying to fix it! I think a much better way of going about this is to let those folks spend $40 for an annual office visit, another $40 on annual lab tests and utilize generic medications if the need arises. This is not a fantasy! It could be accomplished if more people let go of the concept that they need health insurance for routine medical services and simply paid out of pocket for office visits AND purchased insurance to cover hospitalization, which would be a much more affordable policy than one that covers everything from office visits to drugs to ICU care.

And here is one of the the roots of your problem. You can't change people after they have had these kids. The answer is lots of info and working to break the cycle of kids having sex/no sex education/kids getting pregnant/now can't get jobs/no good example set at home/no fathers at home, etc...but it all starts with preventing these pregnancies in the first place. That is where we should be throwing the money.
 
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30A Skunkape

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And here is one of the the roots of your problem. You can't change people after they have had these kids. The answer is lots of info and working to break the cycle of kids having sex/no sex education/kids getting pregnant/now can't get jobs/no good example set at home/no fathers at home, etc...but it all starts with preventing these pregnancies in the first place. That is where we should be throwing the money.

Do we start by sending all the Bratz dolls back to China?:lol: :wave:
 
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