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30ashopper

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what was the republican solution?

I don't think they have a comprehensive plan, but then again, they aren't in charge so it really doesn't make any difference. What's important is what the dems are proposing because they have a majority and control of the White House.
 

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This has to stop being us vs. them......from any perspective.

When the children in DC decide to work together, all of this will happen naturally.
 

Bob

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90% of our legal population currently have coverage or can afford it. You're promoting a "solution" to fix the other 10% that completely overhauls the entire system, including creating yet another government entitlement we can ill afford? Give me a break. You want solutions, so do I, but the current House bill is not it.
rethink those numbers and include medicaid/medicare
 

Bob

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I don't think they have a comprehensive plan, but then again, they aren't in charge so it really doesn't make any difference. What's important is what the dems are proposing because they have a majority and control of the White House.
they were in charge and chose to do nothing
 

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This Bill Moyers interview with a former Cigna-VP-turned-whistleblower-type is eye-opening. It's stuff we already knew, but to hear someone detailing the industry strategies -- the stuff that goes on behind the scenes -- is jarring. It's lengthy and very informative. Watch it, even just the first few minutes, and see if you don't get angry.

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

I go back and forth on what Congress is doing right now, but it is becoming more clear that to do nothing is criminal. I read this quote from the CBS chief medical correspondent, Dr. Jon LaPook, and it made sense to me:

Yes, our current health care system is not sustainable and we do need an overhaul. But there is no "exactly how" and we cannot afford to wait for one. There are so many nuances to the moving target of health care and so many unknowns that it is impossible to create a perfect solution on paper. I?ll settle for an imperfect solution that addresses the most important problems first and represents the best efforts of our most thoughtful experts. But it should not be set in stone. It must include provisions to mature gracefully into versions 2.0 and beyond.
 

30ashopper

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they were in charge and chose to do nothing

That's not true, a number of attempts at changing the overall system were made, some even succeeded. But again, you live in the past my friend, and for some reason you think the past vindicates exteme measures being proposed by people in the present! There's no logic to that.
 

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rethink those numbers and include medicaid/medicare

..and what is the current cause of our fiscal woes today? Your solution is to, um, expand Medicare and strap yet another entitlement onto the side of it. Brilliant!
 

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The White House is being forced to acknowledge the wide gap between its once-upbeat predictions about the economy and today's bleak landscape.

The administration's annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Barack Obama's budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress.

The release of the update - usually scheduled for mid-July - has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town on its August 7 summer recess.

The administration is pressing for votes before then on its $1 trillion health care initiative, which lawmakers are arguing over how to finance.

The White House budget director, Peter Orszag, said on Sunday that the administration believes the "chances are high" of getting a health care bill by then. But new analyses showing runaway costs are jeopardizing Senate passage.

"Instead of a dream, this routine report could be a nightmare," Tony Fratto, a former Treasury Department official and White House spokesman under President George W. Bush, said of the delayed budget update. "There are some things that can't be escaped."

My Way News - White House putting off release of budget update

Obama's trasparency promise appears to be wilting under the summer sun!
 
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Bob

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..and what is the current cause of our fiscal woes today? Your solution is to, um, expand Medicare and strap yet another entitlement onto the side of it. Brilliant!
affordable health care in this country should not be a privilege
 

Bob

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/magazine/19healthcare-t.html?em Why We Must Ration Health Care
By PETER SINGER
Published: July 15, 2009

You have advanced kidney cancer. It will kill you, probably in the next year or two. A drug called Sutent slows the spread of the cancer and may give you an extra six months, but at a cost of $54,000. Is a few more months worth that much?


The costs of the current health care system are becoming increasingly clear, and public sentiment for a more systematic approach may be growing. We?d like to know what you think about the prospect of rationing.



If you can afford it, you probably would pay that much, or more, to live longer, even if your quality of life wasn?t going to be good. But suppose it?s not you with the cancer but a stranger covered by your health-insurance fund. If the insurer provides this man ? and everyone else like him ? with Sutent, your premiums will increase. Do you still think the drug is a good value? Suppose the treatment cost a million dollars. Would it be worth it then? Ten million? Is there any limit to how much you would want your insurer to pay for a drug that adds six months to someone?s life? If there is any point at which you say, ?No, an extra six months isn?t worth that much,? then you think that health care should be rationed.

In the current U.S. debate over health care reform, ?rationing? has become a dirty word. Meeting last month with five governors, President Obama urged them to avoid using the term, apparently for fear of evoking the hostile response that sank the Clintons? attempt to achieve reform. In a Wall Street Journal op-ed published at the end of last year with the headline ?Obama Will Ration Your Health Care,? Sally Pipes, C.E.O. of the conservative Pacific Research Institute, described how in Britain the national health service does not pay for drugs that are regarded as not offering good value for money, and added, ?Americans will not put up with such limits, nor will our elected representatives.? And the Democratic chair of the Senate Finance Committee, Senator Max Baucus, told CNSNews in April, ?There is no rationing of health care at all? in the proposed reform.
 
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