On top of some of his decisions rubbing me wrong, I am very unhappy with how my guy Barry has seemingly pissed away an opportunity to shine in his response to the oil spill. The way I feel right this second, I can't say I would vote for him in 2012. So riddle me this-
who do you believe could be running against hIm that is worth considering and why?
Note: I don't consider myself a democrat or a republican so no one is off limits due to party affiliation or lack thereof.
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margarita brocolia
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I am reminded of our infamous trolls from years gone by, 2bfabian, sandybanks et al. One would create another in order to bump a thread on some conspiracy theory that was making the e-mail circuit. Regular members wouldn't respond so they had to create another member and talk to themselves. They would get warnings and play it safe in passive-aggressive ways.
somewhat entertaining but mostly sad ...............
I doubt that most trolls truly leave. (and if they are not fed, they'll try to feed themselves)
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I am reminded of our infamous trolls from years gone by, 2bfabian, sandybanks et al. One would create another in order to bump a thread on some conspiracy theory that was making the e-mail circuit. Regular members wouldn't respond so they had to create another member and talk to themselves. They would get warnings and play it safe in passive-aggressive ways.
somewhat entertaining but mostly sad ...............
I doubt that most trolls truly leave. (and if they are not fed, they'll try to feed themselves)
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I doubt that most trolls truly leave. (and if they are not fed, they'll try to feed themselves)
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No worries...
The people on the board have a nose for trolls with multiple aliases much like the child snatcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang...
SoWal Insider
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I am reminded of our infamous trolls from years gone by, 2bfabian, sandybanks et al. One would create another in order to bump a thread on some conspiracy theory that was making the e-mail circuit. Regular members wouldn't respond so they had to create another member and talk to themselves. They would get warnings and play it safe in passive-aggressive ways.
somewhat entertaining but mostly sad ...............
I doubt that most trolls truly leave. (and if they are not fed, they'll try to feed themselves)
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Kinda' like YzarcPoo and Sweet Pea?
Sorry, couldn't resist. 
I got the impression that Sarawind had been around a while sharing goulash recipes.
margarita brocolia
Kinda' like YzarcPoo and Sweet Pea?.
I got the impression that Sarawind had been around a while sharing goulash recipes.
..yes our troll parody. Love it!sarawind has come and gone over time. you are correct in that!
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Beach Fanatic
She/he is new to the forum and is full of lonnnnnnnnnnng posts and the more outrageous the better. It's ok to respond but - absolutely the best policy is ignore. Trolls do need to be fed. I'll stop feeding as of today
Gidget
When I just don't have the time I often de facto ignore YouKnowWho.
It is so darn easy blowing her facts (alledged) out of the water.
Beach Fanatic
kinda like reincarnation
Beach Fanatic
.I certainly hope you are not putting Sarawind, 30Ashopper, Yarzarctoo, Idlewind, futurebeachbum and myself along with others with a more Conservative bent than yours, into the role of "trolls" just because we don't agree with your and many other's stand on what is transpiring in this nation.
I am reminded of our infamous trolls from years gone by, 2bfabian, sandybanks et al. One would create another in order to bump a thread on some conspiracy theory that was making the e-mail circuit. Regular members wouldn't respond so they had to create another member and talk to themselves. They would get warnings and play it safe in passive-aggressive ways.
somewhat entertaining but mostly sad ...............
I doubt that most trolls truly leave. (and if they are not fed, they'll try to feed themselves)
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For example, my opinions and experience is anything but sad as far as it going to form my present attitude on what is happening in the country right now. I, in my lifetime, through from FDR to Obama, have never seen such a convoluted, out of control inexperienced presidency and congress. I can see November from my house.
margarita brocolia
No worries....
Daddy-o has a nose for trolls with multiple aliases much like the child snatcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang...
Aahh yes, Daddy-O knows who/what to watch - that's where the passive-aggressive comes in. He'd no doubt prefer to be doing more useful things though.
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I certainly hope you are not putting Sarawind, 30Ashopper, Yarzarctoo, Idlewind, futurebeachbum and myself along with others with a more Conservative bent than yours, into the role of "trolls" ...
I don't think you need to worry about that. You are anything but a troll, and even those in here who are diametrically opposed to everything that you post will agree with me.
Beach Fanatic
I certainly hope you are not putting Sarawind, 30Ashopper, Yarzarctoo, Idlewind, futurebeachbum and myself along with others with a more Conservative bent than yours, into the role of "trolls" just because we don't agree with your and many other's stand on what is transpiring in this nation.
Nope, no one did.
margarita brocolia
I certainly hope you are not putting Sarawind, 30Ashopper, Yarzarctoo, Idlewind, futurebeachbum and myself along with others with a more Conservative bent than yours, into the role of "trolls" just because we don't agree with your and many other's stand on what is transpiring in this nation..
For example, my opinions and experience is anything but sad as far as it going to form my present attitude on what is happening in the country right now. I, in my lifetime, through from FDR to Obama, have never seen such a convoluted, out of control inexperienced presidency and congress. I can see November from my house.
not to worry Andy A! Trolls are obvious - and not because of varying opinions. They have tactics and agendas. You're NOT a troll! You just voice strong opinions. no prob with that.
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SoWal Insider
I'll echo what Rita said. Some of you use courtesy and a respect for the facts. Some of you use lies, hatred, and bigotry. It's fairly simple to see who to avoid. It's sometimes harder to avoid speaking up when the haters are so damn annoying.
Beach Fanatic
did anyone else listen to the Diane Rehm Show on NPR this mornning. It was quite a civil discussion of the Tea Party and its goals and ideas.
The Tea Party | The Diane Rehm Show from WAMU and NPR
The Tea Party | The Diane Rehm Show from WAMU and NPR
margarita brocolia
did anyone else listen to the Diane Rehm Show on NPR this mornning. It was quite a civil discussion of the Tea Party and its goals and ideas..
The Tea Party | The Diane Rehm Show from WAMU and NPR
I listened to it through your link. Thanks!
I always learn something from her show - a favorite!
I liked that the originators of Tea Party do not want it to be about social issues such as abortion .... The use of the term "party" in the name seems a misnomer since the appearance to me is that they mostly want to influence legislation?
I thought the question about the Coffee Party from a caller was interesting in that the guests seemed to feel since that movement started after the TP, it would not take hold as well. I'm not sure why they feel that way. It will be interesting to see how much civility there is at gatherings and if the founders of the movements are able to keep the focus on their original ideas without "Partiers" going off in inflammatory directions.
Coffee Party | Wake Up and Stand Up
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I listened to it through your link. Thanks!
I always learn something from her show - a favorite!
I liked that the originators of Tea Party do not want it to be about social issues such as abortion .... The use of the term "party" in the name seems a misnomer since the appearance to me is that they mostly want to influence legislation?
I thought the question about the Coffee Party from a caller was interesting in that the guests seemed to feel since that movement started after the TP, it would not take hold as well. I'm not sure why they feel that way. The movements are interesting and it will be interesting to see how much civility there is at gatherings and if the founders of the movements are able to keep the focus on their original ideas without "Partiers" going off in inflammatory directions.
Coffee Party | Wake Up and Stand Up
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I found it interesting too; and for the first time, I heard some people talking about the organization without sounding totally nuts. However, I think Matt Kibbe was a bit misleading about his affiliation with
Dick Armey...and Armey's affiliation with the TP. oh well.
the main take away for me is the disconnect--the woman from Pennsylvania wanted something done about her mortgage--and wanted government out of her affairs, but she did not want to give up her social security despite the fact that it is a government program; (don't remember if she mentioned medicare--but many have; and again, they want government to stay out of their affairs, but they want to keep the medicare insurance??? her point about paying into SS and "working for everything she was getting" I understand that point of view, but when she said SS needed to be reformed, she could not articulate how, so it sounded as though she had some some things that affected her personally that she wanted changed; but she really didn't have a plan or a policy for the change she wanted. Reading the Contract from America I also feel a disconnect. It seems a cobbled together list of issues that they want changed; but, it does not seem to have anything holding it together for a successful result.
?I am also bothered by the lack of diversity in the group--and, as a result, the lack of any issue that concerns diversity or multiculturalism..
But, it was a civil conversation and that was refreshing. --
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Beach Fanatic
More and More Disgruntled Obama Supporters,
Majority of Americans losing faith in Obama: poll, hope GOP takes control of Congress in
November
BY Aliyah Shahid
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, July 14th 2010, 4:00 AM
The majority of voters said they lacked faith in President Obama, according to a new
poll.
Apparently he's not the confidence-booster-in-chief.
The majority of Americans ? nearly 60 percent ? lack faith in President Obama, according to a
Washington Post/ABC News poll published on Tuesday.
The results are the exact opposite of what voters said in a similar poll at the beginning of Obama's
presidency 18 months ago. Then, approximately 60 percent said they were confident with his
decision making.
And voters, by an 8-point margin, said they hope Republicans take control of Congress. More than 60 percent of voters also said they would probably not support their
current representative. Just 26 percent said they would.
The anti-incumbent sentiment could affect the outcome of November's elections when all
435 seats in the House or Representatives are up for grabs in addition to 36 of the 100
Senate seats.
Still, regard for Obama is higher than it is for members of Congress, both Republicans and
Democrats.
The Washington Post said there were a number of factors that may have affected the outcome,
including problems in the housing industry, unemployment and the staggering economy.
Only 43 percent said they approve the way Obama is handling the economy, while 54 percent said they disapprove.
WITH NEWS WIRE SERVICE
Majority of Americans losing faith in Obama: poll, hope GOP takes control of Congress in
November
BY Aliyah Shahid
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, July 14th 2010, 4:00 AM
The majority of voters said they lacked faith in President Obama, according to a new
poll.
Apparently he's not the confidence-booster-in-chief.
The majority of Americans ? nearly 60 percent ? lack faith in President Obama, according to a
Washington Post/ABC News poll published on Tuesday.
The results are the exact opposite of what voters said in a similar poll at the beginning of Obama's
presidency 18 months ago. Then, approximately 60 percent said they were confident with his
decision making.
And voters, by an 8-point margin, said they hope Republicans take control of Congress. More than 60 percent of voters also said they would probably not support their
current representative. Just 26 percent said they would.
The anti-incumbent sentiment could affect the outcome of November's elections when all
435 seats in the House or Representatives are up for grabs in addition to 36 of the 100
Senate seats.
Still, regard for Obama is higher than it is for members of Congress, both Republicans and
Democrats.
The Washington Post said there were a number of factors that may have affected the outcome,
including problems in the housing industry, unemployment and the staggering economy.
Only 43 percent said they approve the way Obama is handling the economy, while 54 percent said they disapprove.
WITH NEWS WIRE SERVICE
Beach FanaticAuthor
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
The republican strategy seems to be-
Obama isn't doing well therefore- you must vote republican.
And the democratic strategy seems to be-
These are tough times and we've made some tough and unpopular decisions. But do you really want them back? Therefore, you must vote democrat.
As I said on Page 1, I am not happy with Obama or our democrat controlled house and senate. But this does not automatically mean I believe it is a good idea to vote republican. The two party system, the special interest/lobby and the media has our country broken.
The republican strategy seems to be-
Obama isn't doing well therefore- you must vote republican.
And the democratic strategy seems to be-
These are tough times and we've made some tough and unpopular decisions. But do you really want them back? Therefore, you must vote democrat.
As I said on Page 1, I am not happy with Obama or our democrat controlled house and senate. But this does not automatically mean I believe it is a good idea to vote republican. The two party system, the special interest/lobby and the media has our country broken.
Beach Fanatic
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
The republican strategy seems to be-
Obama isn't doing well therefore- you must vote republican.
And the democratic strategy seems to be-
These are tough times and we've made some tough and unpopular decisions. But do you really want them back? Therefore, you must vote democrat.
As I said on Page 1, I am not happy with Obama or our democrat controlled house and senate. But this does not automatically mean I believe it is a good idea to vote republican. The two party system, the special interest/lobby and the media has our country broken.
EXACTLY!
The degree of vision, hearing, and understanding on the part of both parties leaves me stone cold sick.
I HATE what I'm feeling... but my "voting voice" may end up being best served by what I DON'T say in a national election voting booth. Do you think it's possible that if 90% of eligible American voters chose NOT TO VOTE for a single one of the choices the party leaders maneuver into position that it might penetrate their thick skulls???
Beach Fanatic
I would love to see a "can-do" governor run for POTUS.
Look to can-do governors for ideas on jobs and economy - CSMonitor.com
Look to can-do governors for ideas on jobs and economy - CSMonitor.com
SoWal Insider
I would love to see a "can-do" governor run for POTUS.
Look to can-do governors for ideas on jobs and economy - CSMonitor.com
Which states seem to be run better than most? Draft that governor!
Beach FanaticAuthor
I can think of two remarkable opportunities blown by Obama:
1) Afghanistan- he made the tough decision to commit troops and resources to another Vietnam. I wish he would have made a tougher decision and did the opposite. He is such a great communicator. He could have made the case that we have been and can continue to be successful targeting Al Queda without continuing a long costly war. He could have said that he is committed to the nation building of our own nation. It's the economy, stupid. He could have sold it as a fiscal decision.
2) The Oil Spill- I do not fault Obama for lacking mastery of fluid mechanics, undersea construction, and improvised deep water demolition. I am aware that his hands were largely tied to plug the hole. I do however believe he failed miserably by giving the media and his foes political fodder by doing things like interviews with Marv Albert for the NBA Finals, attending baseball games, dancing to Paul McCartney, etc.
He could have done a much better job communicating/clarifying things like the Jones Act, the laws that require the offending oil company to be responsible for handling the spill, the idea that moratorium only impacted 36 out of thousands of rigs, etc.
He should have maintained residence on the gulf coast in addition to D.C.. He should have postponed unimportant items on his calendar.
Most of all- he missed the opportunity to shine by not delivering a speech that sets high goals for America and the need for alternative energy. There are numerous examples of what his speech could have been out there by many of the talking heads.
Rambling.
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1) Afghanistan- he made the tough decision to commit troops and resources to another Vietnam. I wish he would have made a tougher decision and did the opposite. He is such a great communicator. He could have made the case that we have been and can continue to be successful targeting Al Queda without continuing a long costly war. He could have said that he is committed to the nation building of our own nation. It's the economy, stupid. He could have sold it as a fiscal decision.
2) The Oil Spill- I do not fault Obama for lacking mastery of fluid mechanics, undersea construction, and improvised deep water demolition. I am aware that his hands were largely tied to plug the hole. I do however believe he failed miserably by giving the media and his foes political fodder by doing things like interviews with Marv Albert for the NBA Finals, attending baseball games, dancing to Paul McCartney, etc.
He could have done a much better job communicating/clarifying things like the Jones Act, the laws that require the offending oil company to be responsible for handling the spill, the idea that moratorium only impacted 36 out of thousands of rigs, etc.
He should have maintained residence on the gulf coast in addition to D.C.. He should have postponed unimportant items on his calendar.
Most of all- he missed the opportunity to shine by not delivering a speech that sets high goals for America and the need for alternative energy. There are numerous examples of what his speech could have been out there by many of the talking heads.
Rambling.
G
Beach Fanatic
Geo, keep on rambling. You usually do a thoughtful and insightful job of it even if I don't always agree with you.
Moderator
Which states seem to be run better than most? Draft that governor!
Take a look at what's happening in New Jersey...
Beach Fanatic
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
The republican strategy seems to be-
Obama isn't doing well therefore- you must vote republican.
And the democratic strategy seems to be-
These are tough times and we've made some tough and unpopular decisions. But do you really want them back? Therefore, you must vote democrat.
As I said on Page 1, I am not happy with Obama or our democrat controlled house and senate. But this does not automatically mean I believe it is a good idea to vote republican. The two party system, the special interest/lobby and the media has our country broken.
The saddest part is that, based on accomplishments, there's no substantive difference in the 2 parties. They are both basically indebted to mostly the same 'contributors' and the legislation they pass clearly reflects that.
There's no way an ethical, intelligent person, who wanted to improve healthcare here in America could be pleased with a 2000+page, pork-laden healthcare bill that lays a windfall at the feet of Big Pharma, yet the Democrats preened like a bunch of peacocks when it passed.
After all they had pleased their masters....they had a reason to preen.
Same story when the Republican Congress passed the Senior Drug Care Act. Who in their right mind would have legislated that the different parts of the Federal Government couldn't get together to bargain as a single unit with Big Pharma on drug prices. The politicians preened on that one too.
The story goes on and on..The Bailout(s)...Immigration...etc..
The lack of ethics in the politicians of both parties is disgusting and they ought to be ashamed (and replaced.)
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