Had the conservatives been as honest in their feelings as liberals are being we wouldn't have had to suffer through the continuing damage of GW's second term.
I am becoming a disgruntled Obama supporter
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I think there is a lot of truth in this statement although there were many conservatives (myself included) who were not happy with the spending spree that Bush and the Republicans went on and were very vocal about it. I may be wrong but I think that the Tea Party movement is a direct result of disgruntled conservatives finally getting honest.
Here's my issue- as I said, I am unhappy with Obama but this does not mean by default that any opponent gets my vote. I do not feel like- "well next time I am voting Republican". This thinking is precisely what ails this country.
This wasn't supposed to be an Obama bashing thread or a thread to bash anyone really. I'm hoping to hear disection/analysis/commentary of prospective 2012 candidates.
I've sprinkled the thread with troll flakes so let's try to discuss without being inflammatory to people who might normally disagree politically.
This wasn't supposed to be an Obama bashing thread or a thread to bash anyone really. I'm hoping to hear disection/analysis/commentary of prospective 2012 candidates.
I've sprinkled the thread with troll flakes so let's try to discuss without being inflammatory to people who might normally disagree politically.
Geo - Mitch Daniels, Governor of Indiana, is somebody that I am very interested in.
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Yeah, I never understood the unwilligness of most Republicans to levy any criticism constructive or otherwise against Bush, at least not until the very end. The problem I see is that in 2012, Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee for sure. The Republicans may have some good people who I might consider voting for in the general election, but none of them stand a chance of being nominated. So the odds are I will end up voting for Obama again whether he shapes up or not.
I've often pondered the ramifications of a sitting President NOT receiving the respective party's nomination for a second term. I think this would be more damaging to the party in the long run.......unfortunate, because I always liked Hilary Clinton and think she would make a Great President.
I know people, left and right, who levied criticism of Bush during his first term.
Mitt Romney- Of course, religion will play a large roll in the primaries but I feel like Romney would fare better in a general election than other "more religious" candidates (Palin, Huckabee). I would also worry about all his flip-flopping on issues that are very important to the Republican base. He also essentially designed the Obama healthcare bill, despite what he wants to tell you. I feel like he comes off as very knowledgeable and really knows what businesses need to create jobs. And I feel like he would do very well with independents in the general election.
Chris Christie- Strong fiscal conservative, powerful speaker, and I love that he is so adamant on sending teachers unions to hell. The problems I see with him are that he is unexperienced and he acknowledges that he is. Every candidate says they're not going to run for president right now, but he seems more sincere when he says he doesn't think he is ready and he doesn't want the job. He kind of seems like someone who wants to deal more with "governor" issues (education, small budgets) than deal with foreign issues all day.
Mike Huckabee- Probably the strongest social conservative in the race. Not afraid of the tea party, like other mainstream Republicans, and will get tea party support. His PAC has maybe been the most active thus far and that will get him a lot of political support come primary time. I think it turns a lot of people off when he makes such a big deal about religion in his speeches. I think his "fair tax" ideas could grow on people.
Sarah Palin- I love her as a political puppet to further the Republicans ideas and get Republicans elected. But as a candidate, I worry she will make the same mistakes she made in 2008. When she was a vice president she only had to be in the spotlight as a candidate for a few months and she only had one debate. But as a primary candidate it will be almost two years and a lot of debates, if she wants to be a serious candidate she better polish up on her knowledge of the issues.
Rick Perry- I know it may sound crazy, but I think he is just a better version of Palin. For a Republican, he is popular with Latinos and disliked by many for his somewhat moderate stance on immigration.I don't know if people outside of Texas appreciate how strong he is politically, and manages to just dominate opponents who are more knowledgeable and experienced than him (Kay Bailey Hutchinson). Could have a problem, like most governors, dealing with national issues. Many of his strong Texas supporters have said they don't think they would vote for him in a presidential race.
Ron Paul- I don't see it happening. If anyone has an argument for him, I would be happy to hear what it is. I just don't think he comes off very well politically.
Other candidates I think have a good shot are Mitch Daniels, Rubio, Jindal
It's still really far out and there could still be candidates we haven't heard of that end up becoming a factor.
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He certainly couldn't have done worse than Bush.
