I am becoming a disgruntled Obama supporter

[poppy]

Snarky, snarky, snarky. And please show me where I said in my post someway you will screw up my way of life. Nothing could be further from the truth as you have no affect on my way of life whatsoever nor will you ever have.

Ok, maybe an indirect effect on your life but an effect none the less. Since you believe I have the power please don't deny me this pleasure.

Your quotes:

Those occupations may soon return if many such as you have their way

In my mind, it is attitudes such as yours, that to a great degree, have our nation in the financial peril it is in, as far as the support of our citizens of retirement age is concerned

 

[LuciferSam]

Do you ever remember anything you read? And please spare telling me you don't read what is posted by me. I have said on many occasions that we need new technologies to be developed and put in place. I have also said it will not happen over night and we must have a bridge to reach them. Regardless of how you may couch it, that bridge is fossil fuels.

I have read your past remarks, and the one I responded to was was a snide put down not at all consistent with what you've been saying all along. Maybe you should go back and read everything I've had to say. I think I've made myself clear and don't need to explain myself on this issue. By the way, today was a great day for a bike ride. Beautiful crosswind.

 

[LuciferSam]

All those that want to do away with this evil crude oil, I ask you to pick any 10 items on this list and stop using them now. I don't think any of these were created from wind or solar. This is just a short list from the more than 4,000 that come from crude oil.

A legacy doesn't have infinite shelf life much to your dismay.

P.S. Less than 20% of crude oil is used to produce those common items you mention, some of which have non-petroleum based substitutes. If we could reduce our petroleum needs to plastic items, jet fuel, lubricants, ships [fuel for], I don't think we would need to destroy ecosystems and lives in the name of energy independence. Your argument is tired and weak.

 

[Bob]

Define 'embrace'. I am all for embracing green technology, ie, research and development, with the given that we are at least a generation or two from large scale weaning from oil. I heard a piece about some people who were having some success somehow or the other extracting petroleum products out of algae utilizing much of the same refining technology we currently use. The perfected process is, of course, years away. But there is this myth that somehow we can just turn off the oil spigot, slap up some solar panels and windmills, unroll the suppressed plans for the electric car and away we would go. Not gonna happen like that.

we can do whatever we want, when we want.....but who is we, bp or thee?
do you think you have any choice?

 

[LuciferSam]

we can do whatever we want, when we want.....but who is we, bp or thee?
do you think you have any choice?

When people are afraid to take a stance it's known as hedging. Also note the really tired worn out straw man arguments against alternative energy.

 

[scooterbug44]

Here are the items from your list that I am willing to give up or greatly reduce my usage of:

Bags (all of my shopping bags are recycled, leather or canvas)
Disposable Diapers (I think Mama Scooterbug is still using some of our cloth diapers as dust rags)
Fertilizers
Flooring (prefer porcelain tiles, real wood/bamboo, and wool carpets for aesthetic and health reasons)
Milk Jugs - the glass bottle my milk is in currently works just fine!
Patio Furniture - wood or metal works for me
Panty Hose - gave those up years ago
Soft Drink Bottles, Plastic Bottles - cans or reusable water bottle
Unbreakable Dishes - mine are Corel and over 50 years old
Fishing Rods - don't fish, though graphite or bamboo works instead
Crayons - prefer colored pencil or watercolors
Combs - wood, bone, metal
Toys, Dolls, Model Cars - safe alternate materials available for all of those, though plastic wheels are the best
Clothing (polyester, nylon) - prefer clothes made of cotton, linen, wool, cashmere, silk, leather, and bamboo
TV Cabinets - wood
Candles - what's wrong w/ paraffin or beeswax?
Paint Brushes - boar's bristle, sable, wood, bamboo, and cardboard
Perfume - glass bottle
Tapes - (cassettes, vcr tapes) - think we can manage to phase these out
Tennis rackets - natural gut, graphite and titanium
Waterproof Jackets, Boots, Pants - I average 10-15 years per set of polyurethane coated cotton raingear
Parachutes - silk or hemp fiber
Pens - Papa Scooterbug turns those on his wood lathe
Shower Doors - tempered glass
Rope (nylon) - many other options currently in use
Heart valve - pig or cow or human (I am an organ donor)

Many of the other items listed there is not a good non-plastic/oil alternative that I am aware of, but they can be recycled and we can still work to reduce our usage of them.

 

[Mango]

Here are the items from your list that I am willing to give up or greatly reduce my usage of:

Disposable Diapers (I think Mama Scooterbug is still using some of our cloth diapers as dust rags)

Milk Jugs - the glass bottle my milk is in currently works just fine!

Crayons - prefer colored pencil or watercolors

Disposable Diapers: Things could get messy for me, so there's a problem.
Milk Jugs- What decade do you live in? Last time I saw milk in a glass bottle, I started my diaper habit.
Crayons- you'd have to gnaw them out of my hands, mouth or left foot.

 

[30A Skunkape]

we can do whatever we want, when we want.....but who is we, bp or thee?
do you think you have any choice?

So how are things in the yurt tonight, Bob?;-)

 

[Bob]

So how are things in the yurt tonight, Bob?;-)

in my cinderblock castle, waiting for the next oil war

 

[30A Skunkape]

in my cinderblock castle, waiting for the next oil war

Glad to see your solar panels provide you enough juice to run the computer machine late into the dark night