Is Obama a wolf in sheep's clothing ?

[Smiling JOe]

Did I miss a news cycle? Is Reverend Wright running for President?

Obama claims that Reverend Wright was his close spiritual adviser. If Adolf Hitler was Hillary's close spiritual adviser, wouldn't you question her judgment based soley on that? I don't intend to compare Hitler and Wright, but I make the comparison to show that the people we look up to for more than twenty years of our life, and whom we count on to hold sacred ceremonies for us, are people who have strong influence in our lives.

Personally, I think all three of the choices in the Dem and GOP parties are all crapola. They are all politicians, willing to say or do anything to get elected, so that they can continue to expand the role of the Federal Gov't.

 

[sandybanks]

Huh? Did you hear him say this or hear about him saying this?

I am unaware of him saying that he thinks the US should apologize for giving AIDS to Africa.

I am aware of a Harvard graduate, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, stating this in his video. It can be found on the web. The name of the video is, In lies we trust.

Do I like the Rev.? Well I don't think he would like me but some of the things he says are spot on.


http://www.jonesreport.com/article/04_08/30horowitz_aids.html

I saw Ron Paul on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and he was asked out of the three remaining candidates who did he think was the best pick?

His answer surprised Wolf along with me. He said Obama. Wow, he picked Obama over John McCain.

 

[CPort]

...I am sorry to laugh, but this is the all time funniest response I have ever seen.

I am getting some of the wildest emails about Mr. Obama. The kind that tell me to either forward or watch our country become Muslim. So disturbing.

I get those too!

 

[Geo]

Last night May 2, on Hannity's America, there was a black minister -sorry I've forgotten his name- who has known the Rev. Dr. Wright for decades. According to him Wright and his brand of Black Liberation Theology is Neo- Marxist.

So I apologize for being "over the top" and calling him a Communist.
Now that I know the correct PC I will in the future only refer to him as a Neo- Marxist.

Is there anyone on-board who can explain the difference?
I'd appreciate it.

Ciao Comrades,
Furthur

Neo-Marxism is a loose term for various twentieth-century approaches that amend or extend [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism"]Marxism[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_theory"]Marxist theory[/ame], usually by incorporating elements from other intellectual traditions (for example: critical theory, which incorporates psychoanalysis; Erik Olin Wright's theory of contradictory class locations, which incorporates Weberian sociology; and critical criminology, which incorporates anarchism)[1]. As with many uses of the prefix neo-, many theorists and groups designated "neo-Marxist" attempted to supplement the perceived deficiencies of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Marxism"]orthodox Marxism[/ame] or [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism"]dialectical materialism[/ame].

One such approach might be a 20th century school that harkened back to the early writings of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx"]Marx[/ame] before the influence of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engels"]Engels[/ame], which focused on dialectical idealism rather than [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism"]dialectical materialism[/ame], and thus rejected the perceived economic determinism of the late Marx, focusing instead on a non-physical, psychological revolution. It was thus far more [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism"]libertarian[/ame] and related to strains of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism"]anarchism[/ame]. It also put more of an emphasis on the evils of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_capitalism"]global capitalism[/ame]. It was bound up with the student movements of the 1960s. Many prominent Neo-Marxists such as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse"]Herbert Marcuse[/ame] were sociologists and psychologists.
Neo-Marxism comes under the broader heading of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left"]New Left[/ame] thinking. Neo-Marxism is also used frequently to describe the opposition to inequalities experienced by [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEDC"]Lesser Developed Countries[/ame] in a globalized world. In a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology"]sociological[/ame] sense, neo-Marxism adds [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber"]Max Weber[/ame]'s broader understanding of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_inequality"]social inequality[/ame], such as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_status"]status[/ame] and power, to [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_philosophy"]Marxist philosophy[/ame].
Strains of neo-Marxism include: Hegelian-Marxism, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_social_theory"]Critical Theory[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_Marxism"]Analytical Marxism[/ame], and French [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_Marxism"]Structural Marxism[/ame] (closely related to [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuralism"]structuralism[/ame]).

References

1. ^ John Scott & Gordon Marshall (eds) A Dictionary of Sociology (Article: neo-Marxism), Oxford University Press, 1998

 

[Geo]

The source was the Rev Wright himself, in a recent speech, and I heard him say it, not some media guy saying he said it.

Pls paste what he said in your reply. I read the transcript. What he actually said on this subject, in context and in its entirety, sounds a lot different than what you are saying he said...

2 cents, G

 

[Smiling JOe]

Pls paste what he said in your reply. I read the transcript. What he actually said on this subject, in context and in its entirety, sounds a lot different than what you are saying he said...

2 cents, G

I heard it on the radio, and I listen to multiple stations and don't recall which station I heard him.

 

[scooterbug44]

Obama claims that Reverend Wright was his close spiritual adviser. If Adolf Hitler was Hillary's close spiritual adviser, wouldn't you question her judgment based soley on that? I don't intend to compare Hitler and Wright, but I make the comparison to show that the people we look up to for more than twenty years of our life, and whom we count on to hold sacred ceremonies for us, are people who have strong influence in our lives.

I guess my big problem is that I DON'T have a problem w/ Wright or his sermons .................... so I am not overly concerned about how close he is to Obama.

 

[Geo]

SJ,

You are a respected individual on the board and in the SoWal community. It is apparent that you are well liked and I believe when you post most would think what you say is true...

So here is my beef...

When you say something like-

I'm still wondering why Rev Wright thinks that the US should apologize to the Continent of Africa for giving them AIDS.

Folks unfamiliar with Wright's speeches or sermons (who likely won't take the time to watch them or read their transcripts) end up presuming that Wright must have said "the US should apologize to Africa for giving them AIDS"...

Why? Well, because SJ said so. He is a stand up guy, very fair and reasonable. So the conclusion they draw is that Wright is a wacko. And the media messages just reenforce this...

I asked you to cite your source. You said-

It was Wright himself.

I pressed you further (Hi Further, not you- ) and you said you heard it on the radio...

Anyway, I believe this is what you were referring to-

After Wright's speech during Q&A a reporter asked him to comment about remarks he made just after 9-11 saying that America was damned. Wright talked vaguely about American Foreign Policy and implied that this is why we were hated and attacked.This then led to dialogue about slavery and racism...

My Key Point: There were two mentions of apologies: One in the reporter's question (she asked if Wright would apologize to Americans because he said the country is damned) and the other which Wright mentions when discussing racism and slavery- (not AIDS)...

Have a look:

MS. LEINWAND: In light of your -- in light of your widely quoted comment damning America, do you think you owe the American people an apology?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: No!

MS. LEINWAND: If not, do you think that America is still damned in the eyes of God?

REV. WRIGHT: The government of leaders, those -- as I said to Barack Obama, my member -- I'm a pastor; he's a member. I'm not a "spiritual mentor" -- hoodoo. I'm his pastor. And I said to Barack Obama last year, "If you get elected, November the 5th I'm coming after you, because you'll be representing a government whose policies grind under people." All right?

It's about policy, not the American people.

And if you saw the Bill Moyers show, I was talking about, although it got edited, I was -- do you know, that's biblical? God doesn't bless everything. God condemns something. And D-E-M-N, demn, is where we get the word damn. God damns some practices.

And there is no excuse for the things that the government, not the American people, have done. That doesn't make me not like America, or unpatriotic.

So when Jesus says, not only you brood of vipers, now he's playing the dozens because he's talking about their mamas. To say brood means your mother is an asp, A-S-P. (Laughter.) Should we put Jesus out of the congregation?

When Jesus says, you will be brought down to hell, that's not -- that's bombastic device of speech. Maybe we ought to take Jesus out of this Christian faith. No.

What I said about and what I think about and what -- again until I can't -- until racism and slavery are confessed and asked for -- we asked the Japanese to forgive us. We have never as a country -- in fact, Clinton almost got in trouble because he almost apologized at Goree Island.

We have never apologized as a country. Britain has apologized to Africans. But this country's leaders have refused to apologize. So until that apology comes, I'm not going to keep stepping on your foot and asking you, does this hurt do you forgive me for stepping on your foot, if I'm still stepping on your foot. Understand that? Capisce?


Then later in the Q&A when the subject clearly changed, AIDS came up-


MS. LEINWAND: In your sermon, you said the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. So I ask you: Do you honestly believe your statement and those words?

REV. WRIGHT: Have you read Horowitz's book "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola"? Whoever wrote that question, have you read "Medical Apartheid"? You've read it?

I read different things. As I said to my members, if you haven't read things, then you can't -- and based on the Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.

In fact, in fact, in fact, one of the -- one of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non- question, because all we had to do was check the sales record. We sold him those biological weapons that he was using against his own people.

So any time a government can put together biological warfare to kill people and then get angry when those people use what we sold them, yes, I believe we are capable.

Please let me know if you or anyone can cite someplace where Wright said we owe Africa an apology for giving them AIDS...

What I heard and read is that Wright thinks the US owes Africa and people of color an apology for slavery and racism...

Then I heard and read that Wright wouldn't put it past our government to commit horrible and unbelievable acts based on some of the horrible and unbelievable acts we know our government has committed...

Does this sound like a wacko? Is this language to be afraid of?


I don't think so...

The part that I am afraid of is how this is being misrepresented by the media and then widely accepted by the mainstream!!!

Set me straight...

GW

 

[Smiling JOe]

Can you explain why this question was asked?

MS. LEINWAND: In your sermon, you said the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. So I ask you: Do you honestly believe your statement and those words?

The version I heard must be edited because it ran the two together.

 

[Geo]

Can you explain why this question was asked?

The version I heard must be edited because it ran the two together.

I can speculate-

The reporter understands that Wright finds it plausible that the gov't would have manufactured a deadly virus to harm people. So she is asking the question because she wants to use his truthful answer as a soundbyte to be picked up by the national media and played over and over again. She is doing this irrespective of the harm it will cause or how it will influence the masses in an election-

Why? Probably for personal gain (e.g. exposure, advancement in her news career, etc.).

Or maybe she is trying to help Clinton or McCain (not to sound like a conspiracy theorist...

Why do you think the question was asked?

GW