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Gidget

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The Christian church didn't choose the 25th to compete, they knew the best way to get acceptance/gain followers was to include parts of the existing religion in theirs - a trick they learned from earlier religions.

Also why there are so many striking similarities between Jesus and Mithrias.

Exactly!

t seems that just before Jesus there was another god known as Mithras (or Mithra). Mithras, oddly enough, has the same birthdate as Jesus, but some 600 years earlier! Not only that, but he was also born of a virgin, with a few shepherds present. Mithras, a traveling teacher and master, had 12 disciples as he performed miracles. Just like Jesus, Mithras was buried in a tomb, died, and after three days was resurrected and rose
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again! (It must be the way gods did things back then.)
Known as the way, the Truth, the Light, the Redeemer, the Messiah, the Savior, the word, the Son of God, and the Good Shepherd, Mithras was sometimes pictured carrying a lamb on his shoulders. Sunday was sacred to the followers of Mithras and called it the Lords Day.
Mithraism hit Rome in the first century BC as the Mithraic cult fled Persia. Here it flourished as the Sun God Natalis Solis Invicti. The leader of this religion ruled from what is now Vatican hill, which is a place previously sacred to Mithras. This male leader was called Papa (which is how we get the word Pope). Books in honor of Mithras were called Helio Biblia, which translates to us as either
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Sun Book or Holy Bible.
But wait! . . . Merry Krishnatoo!
Before Mithras there was Krishna in India, circa 1200 BC. Krishna was born of the Virgin Mother Devaki after being visited by spirits to announce the impending birth of an immaculately conceived child who is Gods Sun and the son of God. His birth was attended by wise men, as well as shepherds. Krishna was presented at birth with frankincense, myrrh, and gold. Krishna worked miracles, restored sight, cast out devils, and raised the dead.
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Many hundreds of years before both Mithras AND Jesus, Krishna was baptized in the River Ganges, crucified between two thieves, died, buried, and resurrected in three days and worshiped as the savior of men. He proclaimed himself the Resurrection and the way to the Father.
He was said to be without sin, of royal descent, and raised by a human father that was . . . a carpenter. He preached of a great and final day of judgment and used parables to teach the people about charity and love. In death he stood transfigured in front of his disciples. Krishna was called the Shepherd God, Lord of lords, the Redeemer, and the Universal Word. He was considered, Alpha and Omega as well as being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.
He was prophesized to return to battle evil forces in a second coming. His disciples bestowed on him a word that means pure essence. That word is Jezeus.
But, oh no! Thats not all! Check it out:
HAPPY HORUS
everybody!
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Thousands of years before Krishna, Mithras, and Jesus is the sun god Horus.
Horus goes back to Egypt circa 3000 BC. Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis. Horus taught in the temple when he was a child. He was baptized when he was 30 years old by Anup the Baptizer. Horus performed miracles and raised a man named El-Azar-us, from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on w
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ater, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.
Horus was known as the Way, the Fisher, the Truth, the Light, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, and the Word. He was also was called the KRST, or Anointed One. There was a trinity with Horus: Atum the Father and Ra the Holy Spirit. Add Horus and we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In the later years of Horus he had 12 disciples known as Har-Khuttie. Horus had an enemy (originally this was also the dark side of Horus, or his other face). This evil enemy was Set or Sata. Horus struggles with Sata for 40 days in the wilderness. Some claim that this myth represents the triumph of light over dark. This triumph is most noted on December 25.
In fact, lots of Gods share this birthday!
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The Greek god Attis, born of the Virgin Nana, (or sometimes Cybelem) on December 25 and was
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reborn and rose from the dead on the third day. Attis was both the Father and the Divine Son. His crucifixion and subsequent resurrection were celebrated annually, with ritual communions of bread and wine. The wine represented the God's blood; the bread became the body of the savior.
Adonis born on December 25 was son of the virgin Myrha. Hermes born on December 25 was the son of the virgin Maia, as well as a member of a holy trinity Hermes Tris-Megistus. The god Dionysus, born on December 25, turned water into wine. Bacchus, born on December 25, was crucified in 200 BCE. Prometheus, born on December 25, descended from heaven as God incarnate as man, to save mankind, and was crucified, suffered, and rose from the dead.,
Nimrod was represented in a dual role of God the Father and Ninus, the son of Semiramis, and her olive branch was symbolic of this offspring produced through a virgin birth. Ninus was also known as Tammuz who was said to have been crucified with a lamb at his feet and placed in a cave.
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When a rock was rolled away from tile cave's entrance three days later, his body had disappeared. Nimrod
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was symbolized by a fish and the origins of the Popes nutre shaped like a fish head. Nimrod was the son of Cush. Nimrod was a Mason. The Tower of Babel was one of the most ancient traditions of Masonry.
The original Christmas festival originated in the Babylon founded by Nimrod, the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah. Nimrod originated the Babylonish system of organised competition, man-ruled governments and empires based upon the competitive and profit-making economic system. Nimrod who built the original tower of Babel, the first city of Babylon, Nineveh (the capital of Assyria) and many other commercial and pagan-religious centres.
Nimrod married his own mother, Semiramis. Legend has it, after his untimely death, she claimed that a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolised the
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springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. 25 December was the birthday of Nimrod. It is from this myth, created by a woman living in an incestuous relationship, that we get the original Christmas tree.



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I didn't share this to start any debate about Jesus, but am sharing because when I first learned of this many years ago I was fascinated. Thought others might be too.


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all I can say is: wow...this certainly puts a new twist on this thread...
 

LuciferSam

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A few words about the term Nimrod. It's negative meaning comes from Bugs Bunny referring to hunter adversary Elmer Fudd as ?poor little Nimrod?. It's kind of like sarcastically referring to your slow witted friend as "Einstein". Most viewers didn't pick up on the reference. I certainly didn't

The Story Behind the Term Nimrod - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

excerpt:I'm sure the writer had no idea that he was about to take a name, Nimrod, that for over 4,000 years had meant "a great hunter"; and turn it into a word meaning a dolt. This was also a testament to the popularity of Bugs Bunny and his influence on the culture.


From the archives: Bugs Bunny is Jewish ? The Journal of Cartoon Overanalyzations
 

Gidget

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all I can say is: wow...this certainly puts a new twist on this thread...

It does - and perhaps that wasn't the "theme" of the thread but I really can't figure out what the purpose of the thread is :dunno:.

Once the article was put up regarding Santa from a Christian perspective, it kind of opened up the whole historical aspect of the birth of Jesus which led to the fact that the date of his birth, Christmas, has an interesting background as do many other aspects of Christianity. I find it so fascinating that the stories have been carried down for so long and borrow from one another. Many people do not know this. Yet, I am in no way bashing the faith of Christians. I don't think it subtracts from faith to learn of these things. LOL I first learned of this connection to Mithras, etc... from a VERY pious individual (he never missed Mass!) He was a scholar and I attended one of his seminars on this very subject. Most there were indeed very faithful followers of Christ. It was a seminar rich with discussion and "ah ha's" and "how about that's" and "I didn't know that's". So I am hoping that most reading this will feel the same and not take it as blasphemy. :wave:

Now back to Santa and Satan. ;-)

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I'm just glad I'm not "DEEP THINKER" like the rest of you, because I can't wait to see my grandchildrens eyes on Christmas morning to see what Santa brought them.:D
 

Gidget

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I'm just glad I'm not "DEEP THINKER" like the rest of you, because I can't wait to see my grandchildrens eyes on Christmas morning to see what Santa brought them.:D

Santa is certainly real in the eyes of a child! Nothing more fun than watching their little faces. I agree - have fun!!!!

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Gidget

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Rebuttal to post on Jesus and Mythras - in order to be fair and balanced. ;-) So what is the truth here? That's what is fascinating about discussion. I am ALWAYS open to finding out more about a subject and will humbly admit if I had any facts wrong. So says I - I think I'll study this a tad more :D

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Mithraism and Christianity Mithras - SkepticWiki

There are many misconceptions about the relationship about Mithraism and Christianity. Some of these are misinterpretations of real facts, and others are simply utterly wrong. Here are some of the more common outright falsehoods:

  • Mithras was born of a virgin. Mithras was born out of a rock, often called the petra genetrix. He is often portrayed as already wearing a Phrygian cap and holding a dagger in one hand and a torch in the other. See Manfred Clauss' work The Roman Cult of Mithras, pp. 62-71.
  • Mithras was attended by shepherds at his birth. This appears to come from Mithras being attended by two torchbearers, but these are not shepherds. Again, see Clauss, p. 68-69.
  • Mithras had twelve disciples. This appears to be derived from some iconography in the mithraea where the twelve symbols of the zodiac are arrayed around the scene of Mithras killing the bull. The connection between twelve disciples and twelve signs of the zodiac is made in the book The Jesus Mysteries and by Acharya S (D.Murdock)[1].
  • Mithras died and was resurrected. This appears to be derived from a brief mention by Tertullian, a second-century Christian apologist, who writes in his Prescription Against Heretics, chapter 40, that "if my memory still serves me, Mithra there, (in the kingdom of Satan, ) sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers; celebrates also the oblation of bread, and introduces an image of a resurrection, and before a sword wreathes a crown [2]." Tertullian's comment is unclear about what this "image of a resurrection" is supposed to mean, and it is not clear if indeed his memory does serve him. Claims that the mythology of Mithras actually included his death and resurrection are absent from work by Mithraic scholars such as Franz Cumont and Manfred Clauss, nor is it in the Proceedings of the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies, and there is no evidence from the iconography of the mithraea that he even died. There is discussion in Cumont and the Proceedings of the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies of Mithraists sharing with the Zoroastrians a belief in the resurrection of the dead in the final judgment of the world, but not discussion of Mithras himself being resurrected. (It is quite possible that during the Babylonian captivity of the Jews, "Zoroastrian thought from Persia was a contributing factor" to the idea of resurrection in Judaism [3], so if Mithraism and Christianity did share a belief in the resurrection, it is most likely by common ancestry, with Christianity getting this belief from Judaism.)
Associations between Mithraism and Christianity are also often made by misleading language. For example, in the chapter "Religious Illiteracy" in The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read, William Edelen writes that "The Christian 'Mass' was, and is, basically the old sacrament of the Mithraic 'taurobolia' (a symbol of divine sacrifice and of the saving effect of blood)." However, this parallel between the Mithraic taurobolium and Christian communion is based on hiding details and misleading use of ambiguous language. A taurobolium is a sacrifice of a bull, often involving the blood from the bull dripping over and covering the one being consecrated. This is probably an acting out of the tauroctony, the myth where Mithra kills a bull, and out of the bull comes grain and other agrarian goods. The language the chapter "Religious Illiteracy" uses to describe this parallel is highly obfuscatory. That the taurobolium is an animal sacrifice is left out completely. Its description as a "divine sacrifice" is further misleading, suggesting the Christian claim that God himself was killed as a sacrifice, when really the tauroctony was a divine sacrifice in the sense that a divinity (Mithras) kills something else (a bull).
[edit] References


  • Clauss, Manfred. The Roman Cult of Mithras: The God and his Mysteries. tr. Richard Gordon. New York: Routledge, 2001.
  • Resurrection: A Symbol of Hope by Lloyd Geering. See Chapter 7, "Resurrection as the Hope for the End-Time".
  • What Mithraism Isn't, a web page written by neo-Pagan Ceisiwr Serith.
  • Mithraism, another web page and essay on ancient Rome by Alison Griffith.
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So what is the truth here? Is the scholar I listened to years ago full of baloney? Was he wrong? Is the author of this article on SkepticWiki correct or is he trying to find a way to get around the connection? :dunno:

Too much for my brain this morning. :eek::eek: but I still find it fascinating and most interesting.

Now, once again, back to Santa and Satan.

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LuciferSam

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I didn't know there was a skeptic Wiki. That is awesome. SoWal needs a skeptic forum. To get back on topic, Satan is such a nimrod.
 

ShallowsNole

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Fact 1 - my head hurts too bad to read this entire thread.

Fact 2 - we discussed this ad nauseum last year, after I pointed out that any Christmas play that includes Santa should include the birth of Christ as well. Most children of other faiths don't do Santa anyway; they have their own holidays. Not wishing to go back there again.

But Santa as Satan? Goodness no. I don't think even the most fundamentalist Christian churches believe that. I know that some discourage Santa, but I've never heard that Santa was Satanic, or meant to be.

As Christians, we believe that the biggest gift of all was one we get to share - God's gift to us, his son, Jesus Christ. Today, we still celebrate love, peace, joy to the world, and giving to others (and receiving :D). That is where Santa comes in. Not necessarily a jolly man with flying reindeer, but the feeling you get when you bring a smile to someone else's face. :love:
 
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