Items on the beach overnight

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Good grief. So much for a gentle discussion.

Leave the "you" out of it. I have a book and a chair, and neither of them get left.

Not my stuff, not my beach, not my problem, then. :leaving:

Your post is realtistic and appreciated. Many of us are "guilty" of the same and some of us are changing our attitudes.

However some people here are so idealistic that they lose their sense of civility on this board.

Also you asked, "Can someone gently tell me why there can't be some sort of compromise, such as under the walkovers? A figurative "beach locker" area where that stuff can sit overnight, maybe even in the parking lots, where I presume sea turtles don't nest?"

I believe Gulf Trace is private - just a guess. Assuming it is, you have the right to pull your stuff off the beach up to the dune line and leave it there overnight and store it behind the private walkover.

So those here telling you that you have to remove it completely off the sand, are simply, wrong - as much as I hate to say it. ;-)

Thanks for your middle of the road input!

 

[Smiling JOe]

IT REALLY IS SIMPLE! Add this to the bottom of the existing "Don't do this and this and this" signs:

Don't leave items on the beach overnight - possible confiscation.

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If something is going to be added, let's keep it in the positive, since people often don't read the negative. ie- "Remove all your items from the beach, when you leave the beach each day."

I agree that the if the TDC is inviting people to the beach, they should share a little responsibility in getting the word out. Not so much because tourists pay money, but because it helps keep the beaches beautiful and helps Sea Turtle nesting.

 

[Smiling JOe]

I believe Gulf Trace is private - just a guess. Assuming it is, you have the right to pull your stuff off the beach up to the dune line and leave it there overnight and store it behind the private walkover.

So those here telling you that you have to remove it completely off the sand, are simply, wrong - as much as I hate to say it. ;-)

Actually, I believe the ordinance makes no exception as to the ownership of the property. The TDC may be giving an allowance to the areas privately owned, but that would not make it legal. ;-)

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Actually, I believe the ordinance makes no exception as to the ownership of the property. The TDC may be giving an allowance to the areas privately owned, but that would not make it legal. ;-)

SJ, BeachSiO2 admitted I was stickler for details. Haven't you learned anything yet?

From the link I posted earlier for your benefit:

"Does the ordinance apply to private beaches
Yes, if personal items are left in the middle of the beach they will be
removed. The ordinance as written applies to all areas falling within
the definition of “beach,” regardless of whether such areas are
located on public or private property. Articles that are stored
adjacent to or underneath personal walkovers will not be removed
unless there is TDC maintained trash receptacle at that location. If
private properties have public trash receptacles then personal items
may be left at the toe of the dune at least 10 feet away from the
trash receptacle. Any item left within 10 feet of a public trash[/LEFT]
receptacle will be removed."


Is TDC contradicting the county's "official ordinance" with the above statement?

 

[scooterbug44]

What is so awful (and idealistic) about expecting people to pick up after themselves?

I have no sympathy for those who leave the beaches littered with their stuff and then whine when they are asked to pick it up. Why are the beaches considered some "special" place where you can leave items indefinitely? You can't do that anywhere else w/o theft, fines, etc.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

What is so awful (and idealistic) about expecting people to pick up after themselves?

I have no sympathy for those who leave the beaches littered with their stuff and then whine when they are asked to pick it up. Why are the beaches considered some "special" place where you can leave items indefinitely? You can't do that anywhere else w/o theft, fines, etc.

Except private property, maybe?

 

[scooterbug44]

Private property isn't even a guarantee that items won't disappear or that you won't be fined for litter!

 

[BeachSiO2]

Once more, it IS the responsibilty of TDC to make the general public aware of these rules.

We (rental property owners) collect tax on short term rentals and pay TDC because we are required to. The TDC spends this money on advertising campaigns...inviting the public from all over to the Beaches of South Walton.

Then when the public arrives, you assume that the TDC shouldn't be responsible for educating the public? Just allow the sheriff to arrest those who "thought" they were on public beach. Take away their kayaks because they "thought" they were safe back off of the beach.

So yes, I do believe it is TDC's responsibility to educate the public.

IT REALLY IS SIMPLE! Add this to the bottom of the existing "Don't do this and this and this" signs:

Don't leave items on the beach overnight - possible confiscation.

This is the core of my position on the past few posts

Am I asking too much?

Actually, I have learned that signs are being produced and Code Enforcement has outlined what the verbiage should be since they are the enforcer. To me, I agree that education is a huge point which is why you are seeing things being produced. On the other hand, I have NO TOLERANCE for someone leaving a personal belonging out of their control anywhere and saying I can't believe it's no longer there when they get back. By the way, I didn't get your address for me to take my belongings...;-)

 

[BeachSiO2]

Actually, I believe the ordinance makes no exception as to the ownership of the property. The TDC may be giving an allowance to the areas privately owned, but that would not make it legal. ;-)

THE TDC DOES NOT MAKE ANY DECISIONS REGARDING THIS ISSUE. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TAGS ITEMS THAT THEY WANT REMOVED AND THE TDC REMOVES ALL TAGGED ITEMS. Just putting it out there big just in case there may be someone who thinks this is a TDC program

 

[BeachSiO2]

SJ, BeachSiO2 admitted I was stickler for details. Haven't you learned anything yet?

From the link I posted earlier for your benefit:

"Does the ordinance apply to private beaches
Yes, if personal items are left in the middle of the beach they will be
removed. The ordinance as written applies to all areas falling within
the definition of ?beach,? regardless of whether such areas are
located on public or private property. Articles that are stored
adjacent to or underneath personal walkovers will not be removed
unless there is TDC maintained trash receptacle at that location. If
private properties have public trash receptacles then personal items
may be left at the toe of the dune at least 10 feet away from the
trash receptacle. Any item left within 10 feet of a public trash[/left]
receptacle will be removed."


Is TDC contradicting the county's "official ordinance" with the above statement?

I seriously doubt it and would just about guarantee that this is what they were told would be tagged by the Sheriff, or what they were told the enforcement agencies expected them to do.