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  1. TooFarTampa

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    I think it could be a great idea if executed properly, but one of the issues I wonder about is the narrowness of 30A. Would there be enough spots to create a shoulder for the buses to pull over to? Otherwise you would have the bus stopping traffic every time it made a stop, and that would be extremely annoying. Also, how cooperative would Rosemary, Seaside, WaterColor etc. be, given the private/public beach issues that have come up lately?
     
  2. SHELLY

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    In the city of Bar Harbor, Maine, they provide free bus service that makes it way around all the hotels/inns, downtown and through the National Park. I believe the service is paid for by tourist and hotel taxes--it's a great system!

    Seattle has free bus service in the downtown metro area up until 7pm (after which, they roll up the streets)--you pay extra if you want to stay on and ride outside the "free" area, i.e., to the airport. I'm sure it's paid for with a mix of taxes since it provides service to the locals as well as the tourists.

    Having said that, I don't think a 30a bus service is feasible due to cost, heat, traffic, wet/sandy seats and people wanting to haul the beach tent/chairs/rafts/coolers/umbrellas/blankets/towels/monster plastic shovels, etc, etc, etc.

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  3. mf

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    I should have clarified. A tram is traditionally a railborne vehicle. I would propose one that runs on an electric railway on the highway median, which is ideal and economical for the area since there is only one major thoroughfare. Will resorts be cooperative? If they need tourism maybe.

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  4. up4golf

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    we don't live in a city and we don't live in an amusement park. i think the shuttle is a far fetched dream.
     
  5. Matt J

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    This requires a median which 30A has only less than 1% of.
     
  6. dsilvar

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    I think LRT would be an excellent idea for the tri county area. They have the same system in Portland ,Oregon and it is a huge hit not to mention that it is heavily used and exquisitely on time.
    It's a pity SJ has his head up his proverbial 30-A a$$. The world does not revolve around Santa Rosa beach and it would be nice to reduce ones carbon footprint and still have the facility of commuting to the more densely populated areas.
    I say a red line from Ft walton to PFN and a blue line that goes down 30-A with a transit station at Inlet beach. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_in_Portland,_Oregon#MAX_Light_Rail

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  7. tistheseason

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    When I saw the thread title, I thought it meant to get workers from Defuniak or soemwhere to 30-A. I think that might help the worker shortage. But I would hate to have a tram going up and down 30-A. I prefer to get around biking and walking. The tram would probably make it harder for me to do those things. I stay pretty close to home when I am there -- so that I can bike and walk. And usually only get in the car once to make a trip down to Seaside or Grayton. When I want to hop on a tram -- I'll got to a big city.
     
  8. scooterbug44

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    I think light rail is a great idea, but this area is not yet ready for it from a financial, density or infrastructure standpoint IMO.

    My vision is a fleet of short buses/trolleys powered w/ electric or natural gas that run back and forth on 30-A/up and down selected north/south connector roads to 98. Additional buses could run to the connectors from the North and the West/East to facilitate people traveling to work from PC, Freeport, etc.

    Instead of roadside stops/pull-ins or medians they use the central areas/parking lots of the various developments as stops. This keeps traffic moving and also moves the waiting areas (which could then be in existing AC spaces) away from the main road to reduce accident potential.

    Obviously people would need to limit their "luggage" but IMO people who need freaking sherpas to get to the beach are not the most likely to use public transportation anyway.

    Sandy/damp seats can be mitigated with mesh or slat seats rather than a cushion or solid seat.
     
  9. mf

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    I didn't recommend the tram for 30A. Read above. I recommended it to go on the 98 median from ft. walton to panama city.
     
  10. mf

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    I think an additional tram from freeport to 98 would be a great idea and could be incorporated into the new bridge. It would resolve the traffic problems caused by lack of affordable housing for workers.
     
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    We do have a traffic problem though and, like many cities and amusement parks, tourism is the primary industry here.
     
  12. destinscuba

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    Yes, currently there aren't many locations where the buses could pull over to let people on/off, but 30A has a 100' right of way and the road in most locations is just +/- 24' wide and then there's the bike path taking up part of one of the shoulders.

    I would imagine that if there was a bus system it would drop the beach goers off at the "regional" beach accesses to go to the beach, keeping the neighborhood and community accesses as private as possible.
     
  13. up4golf

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    our traffic problem compared to the traffic where most of our tourists come from is undetectable to them. we are spoiled if we believe 30a has a traffic problem, most businesses would say we don't have enough traffic especially 9 months of the year.
     
  14. The Watcher

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    Here is a novel idea: Parking Tickets.

    Instead of WCSO writing all of us traffic citations for nonsense, how about the county enacts parking violations, maybe start with $5 or so. Write people up on 30-A and/or surrounding areas, put .25 meters at the beach access for tourists, residents can buy a low cost permit for the year.

    When all of these tourists come to local events and park on our lawns, they will be fined a fee. If it is done correctly, the fee will be enforced and we will generate revenue for the county, not from all of us who work hard, or try to look like we do.

    This money can fund a shuttle for those of us who drink when we dine and we do not have to worry about blowing a .08...:blush:

    Food, or drink, for thought...
     
  15. Minnie

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    Is there a need for a llama business during the summer. :dunno:
     
  16. The Watcher

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    That might be a new trend, Llama to Sandestin please... Watch out for the local Yeti...:yikes:
     
  17. Matt J

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    Better yet put up a tow sign on your lawn (you can always attach it to post and remove it during slower time). Then you get a nice little kick back from the tow truck driver. With the number of idiots who leave their driving skills at home when they go on vacation it could offset gas prices, or pay them completely.
     
  18. Smiling JOe

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    And you want the $100,000,000+ for the train to come from where? Also, you include a blue line for the length of 30A, but what happens when the red line drops you off in PC, PCB, or Ft Walton? Do you call a cab to commute locally? I like the idea of saving fuel, and burning less carbon. However, creating a working mass-transit system requires having infrastructure in place, so that people can get to and from the train stops, and commute locally, by connected transits of other forms. Simply building a two way train doesn't solve the problem. Also, I'm not sure how it helps anyone, running only that length. People in PC and Ft Walton won't come to 30A to shop, and I don't think enough people in SRB go to Ft Walton or PCB enough to warrant the costs of a train-plus system. If Walton County was really interested in a mass transit system, it would be linking SoWal to NoWal, where all of the employees will be coming from in the near future. Just my two proverbial @$$ cents worth. :wave:
     
  19. HYDROSTAN

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    I agree with S.J. on this subject. Plus if you provide transportation from east and west of the So Wal state lines all the Destin gangs will have easy access to So Walton, before you know it, thugs will be trying to sell produce on the side of the road again. El Bandito Mate'
     
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    Happy Valentines Day..SJ!!:wub:..... . .love you man.
     

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