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scooterbug44

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From the NYT online, full article at http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1

At McCain-Palin rallies, the raucous and insistent cries of “Treason!” and “Terrorist!” and “Kill him!” and “Off with his head!” as well as the uninhibited slinging of racial epithets, are actually something new in a campaign that has seen almost every conceivable twist. They are alarms. Doing nothing is not an option.

All’s fair in politics. John McCain and Sarah Palin have every right to bring up William Ayers, even if his connection to Obama is minor, even if Ayers’s Weather Underground history dates back to Obama’s childhood, even if establishment Republicans and Democrats alike have collaborated with the present-day Ayers in educational reform. But it’s not just the old Joe McCarthyesque guilt-by-association game, however spurious, that’s going on here. Don’t for an instant believe the many mindlessly “even-handed” journalists who keep saying that the McCain campaign’s use of Ayers is the moral or political equivalent of the Obama campaign’s hammering on Charles Keating.

What makes them different, and what has pumped up the Weimar-like rage at McCain-Palin rallies, is the violent escalation in rhetoric, especially (though not exclusively) by Palin. Obama “launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist.” He is “palling around with terrorists” (note the plural noun). Obama is “not a man who sees America the way you and I see America.” Wielding a wildly out-of-context Obama quote, Palin slurs him as an enemy of American troops.

By the time McCain asks the crowd “Who is the real Barack Obama?” it’s no surprise that someone cries out “Terrorist!” The rhetorical conflation of Obama with terrorism is complete. It is stoked further by the repeated invocation of Obama’s middle name by surrogates introducing McCain and Palin at these rallies. This sleight of hand at once synchronizes with the poisonous Obama-is-a-Muslim e-mail blasts and shifts the brand of terrorism from Ayers’s Vietnam-era variety to the radical Islamic threats of today.

That’s a far cry from simply accusing Obama of being a guilty-by-association radical leftist. Obama is being branded as a potential killer and an accessory to past attempts at murder. “Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family” was how a McCain press release last week packaged the remembrance of a Weather Underground incident from 1970 — when Obama was 8.
We all know what punishment fits the crime of murder, or even potential murder, if the security of post-9/11 America is at stake. We all know how self-appointed “patriotic” martyrs always justify taking the law into their own hands.

Obama can hardly be held accountable for Ayers’s behavior 40 years ago, but at least McCain and Palin can try to take some responsibility for the behavior of their own supporters in 2008. What’s troubling here is not only the candidates’ loose inflammatory talk but also their refusal to step in promptly and strongly when someone responds to it with bloodthirsty threats in a crowded arena. Joe Biden had it exactly right when he expressed concern last week that “a leading American politician who might be vice president of the United States would not just stop midsentence and turn and condemn that.” To stay silent is to pour gas on the fires.

It wasn’t always thus with McCain. In February he loudly disassociated himself from a speaker who brayed “Barack Hussein Obama” when introducing him at a rally in Ohio. Now McCain either backpedals with tardy, pro forma expressions of respect for his opponent or lets second-tier campaign underlings release boilerplate disavowals after ugly incidents like the chilling Jim Crow-era flashback last week when a Florida sheriff ranted about “Barack Hussein Obama” at a Palin rally while in full uniform.

McCain, who is no racist, turned to this desperate strategy only as Obama started to pull ahead. The tone was set at the Republican convention, with Rudy Giuliani’s mocking dismissal of Obama as an “only in America” affirmative-action baby. We also learned then that the McCain campaign had recruited as a Palin handler none other than Tucker Eskew, the South Carolina consultant who had worked for George W. Bush in the notorious 2000 G.O.P. primary battle where the McCains and their adopted Bangladeshi daughter were slimed by vicious racist rumors.

No less disconcerting was a still-unexplained passage of Palin’s convention speech: Her use of an unattributed quote praising small-town America (as opposed to, say, Chicago and its community organizers) from Westbrook Pegler, the mid-century Hearst columnist famous for his anti-Semitism, racism and violent rhetorical excess. After an assassin tried to kill F.D.R. at a Florida rally and murdered Chicago’s mayor instead in 1933, Pegler wrote that it was “regrettable that Giuseppe Zangara shot the wrong man.” In the ’60s, Pegler had a wish for Bobby Kennedy: “Some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow falls.”

This is the writer who found his way into a speech by a potential vice president at a national political convention. It’s astonishing there’s been no demand for a public accounting from the McCain campaign. Imagine if Obama had quoted a Black Panther or Louis Farrakhan — or William Ayers — in Denver.

But we’re not at Election Day yet, and if voters are to have their final say, both America and Obama have to get there safely. The McCain campaign has crossed the line between tough negative campaigning and inciting vigilantism, and each day the mob howls louder. The onus is on the man who says he puts his country first to call off the dogs, pit bulls and otherwise.
 
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John R

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Obama can hardly be held accountable for Ayers?s behavior 40 years ago, but at least McCain and Palin can try to take some responsibility for the behavior of their own supporters in 2008. What?s troubling here is not only the candidates? loose inflammatory talk but also their refusal to step in promptly and strongly when someone responds to it with bloodthirsty threats in a crowded arena. Joe Biden had it exactly right when he expressed concern last week that ?a leading American politician who might be vice president of the United States would not just stop midsentence and turn and condemn that.? To stay silent is to pour gas on the fires.
 

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I'm just curious that if this nut job should exit prison sometime in the future and throw a fundraiser for the Republican candidate, if we'll be so kind as just to refer to him as a "radical rightist" or parse the words "paling around with terrorists" like it actually matters whether you're running around with 1 terrorist or 100 terrorists. I really don't know how close of an association Obama has with the Chicago kook, but don't be hypocritical it. If the association is close, it reflects badly on Obama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Nichols
 

TooFarTampa

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I'm just curious that if this nut job should exit prison sometime in the future and throw a fundraiser for the Republican candidate, if we'll be so kind as just to refer to him as a "radical rightist" or parse the words "paling around with terrorists" like it actually matters whether you're running around with 1 terrorist or 100 terrorists. I really don't know how close of an association Obama has with the Chicago kook, but don't be hypocritical it. If the association is close, it reflects badly on Obama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Nichols

It's really not that close. They knew each other and worked together on two boards. Ayers did not "throw a party" for Obama in 1995, but he was brought to the Ayers home by his mentor as an opportunity to announce his candidacy. There is a distinction there. Anyway, Ayers was Chicago's Citizen of the Year in 1997. I'm not saying he wasn't very, very wrong, but he seems to have comported himself well in the past two decades and has had the respect of powerful people of both parties. It's worth discussing but in the end does not amount to much. IMO.
 

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It's really not that close. They knew each other and worked together on two boards. Ayers did not "throw a party" for Obama in 1995, but he was brought to the Ayers home by his mentor as an opportunity to announce his candidacy. There is a distinction there. Anyway, Ayers was Chicago's Citizen of the Year in 1997. I'm not saying he wasn't very, very wrong, but he seems to have comported himself well in the past two decades and has had the respect of powerful people of both parties. It's worth discussing but in the end does not amount to much. IMO.

If you're saying Obama isn't close to Ayers - fine then. Saying a guy who bombed the Pentagon and is clearly unrepentant about that act has "comported himself well" and "earned the respect of powerful people" ... uhmm, that argument is a drop dead loser. Obama better hope the former is true.
 

TooFarTampa

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If you're saying Obama isn't close to Ayers - fine then. Saying a guy who bombed the Pentagon and is clearly unrepentant about that act has "comported himself well" and "earned the respect of powerful people" ... uhmm, that argument is a drop dead loser. Obama better hope the former is true.

Both apparently are true. Again, I'm not in any way excusing what he did, I'm just saying that he has earned respect in Chicago for his work on education from many prominent people. That fact does explain why someone like Obama would not refuse to work on a board with Ayers. There is no evidence that they were buddies.
 

LuciferSam

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If you're saying Obama isn't close to Ayers - fine then. Saying a guy who bombed the Pentagon and is clearly unrepentant about that act has "comported himself well" and "earned the respect of powerful people" ... uhmm, that argument is a drop dead loser. Obama better hope the former is true.

I don't think Obama needs to be hoping anything at this point. McCain on the other hand has his work cut out for him getting support from all his fellow "prisoners" :rotfl: True , Ayers was involved in some hard core vandalism, but then how many planes did McCain destroy?:rotfl:
 
I agree with the title of this thread. Most of the talking heads I've heard on TV agree with this. I plan to vote for McCain, but he should know that VP candidates are the ones who are supposed to be the attack dogs. The presidential candidate should be above that and say what he plans to do to solve our nation's problems and be a strong leader.
 

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I don't think Obama needs to be hoping anything at this point. McCain on the other hand has his work cut out for him getting support from all his fellow "prisoners" :rotfl: True , Ayers was involved in some hard core vandalism, but then how many planes did McCain destroy?:rotfl:


Are you friggin serious??????? Vandalism????

He didn't spray paint it....he tried to blow up the pentagon....


You need to take off the donkey shaped glasses....
 
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