My first experience with public/private beach issue

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  1. NotDeadYet

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    I found this especially interesting. There are now three big private beach signs on the beach at Surfside over in Miramar. That so happens to be a renourished beach, and state law is pretty clear that the "new" beach seaward of the line the state establishes for renourishment is public. That is, after all, what the pending court case is about. These three signs reference a Florida Statute, but it is bogus. Last year there were two signs, now there are three. I spoke to the DEP about these signs probably a year ago, and the DEP agreed they should not be there and that the FS referenced was bogus. But still, they remain. So I would have to say a lack of leadership on the part of Walton County is going to result in these signs proliferating, and if you want to put up a sign and have it stay there indefinately, all you have to do is reference a Florida Statute, and it does not even matter if it is a real statute!
    So much for what seems to be the county's idea that renourishing the rest of the beaches will somehow make this problem just go away. :bang:
     
  2. 30A Skunkape

    30A Skunkape Mr. Small Box

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    Lets have a sit-in and see what happens:D
     
  3. wrobert

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    And that is the problem. Leadership would resolve this matter. Instead things will rock on for years, it will get worse, and finally something will be done, but by then no one will be happy.
     
  4. GoodWitch58

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    So, Robert, what is the cause of the leadership problem?

    Why are the elected officials so reluctant to take a pro-active stand with things? Why do they seem to resent any input from residents/citizens? Why do they not have a strategic plan that addresses the difficult issues? Why won't a County Commissioner go to the meetings he is supposed to attend? Where is the key to unlocking all this arrogrance/incompetence/whatever it is?

    I have been back here for eight years, so I have been through at least two cycles of elected officials. It does not seem to matter who is in office; they all behave the same general way...I am preplexed by the attitude.

    Since its your party that runs things, perhaps you can enlighten me and anyone else on this board who is puzzled.:dunno::confused:
     
  5. wrobert

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    No longer my party. I am just a member like most of south Walton. Do not get me wrong, I believe in the Republican principles, but I do have some serious concerns with the direction they seem to be taking. I had to give up the leadership position I was in to work on my own election. As for the lack of leadership in government. I have my thoughts. I think it is an addiction to power. A fear of offending and not be reelected that causes a bit of the problem. Maybe term limits in local elections could be the solution.

    Like him or not, I feel that Representative Brown is a great example of what a true leader is. I have come to know him pretty well over the last 10 or so years, and it amazes me how the guy really stands for something when he believes in it. He does not worry about the repercussions, of which their have been many, but the fact that he will stand up, I believe it what leads him to being reelected at margins close to 80% repeatedly. I have never see the guy make a decision with reelection in mind.

    Locally, the ones that I see take this same tact are Martha Ingle, Patrick Pilcher, Mark Davis and Mike Adkinson. The others, I think there is some thought about reelection in their minds when they make a decision. And since most of the others also read this board, at least someone is reading it and passing things along because of comments they have made to me about previous posts I have made, I do not fault them for it. But I really believe that if you are going to arise to be a true leader, you are going to have to look at the issues and the consequences and how they affect the citizens and not if this will be an issue to answer to in the future. I see and hear the citizens say they they will stand up for someone, anyone, that will lead them. People want leadership, they crave it. And there is a void in this community.

    Also the memory of electors is so short and participation so slight, that you would have to really mess up for something to come back on you. For example, what Tim Pauls did with the blockade of his property at the school right there at election time.

    And to my many elected friends, I want to apologize if I have offended. But I was asked a question, and those that really know me realize if they did not want to know how I feel, they should not ask. :D

    One last thing. This can be changed. Deep down they really do want your involvement. But it is frustrating, even from someone like myself who is on the sidelines, to see so many get involved in some things, yet some other things, like building a new school, hardly get a second notice. We really need to work on instilling a sense of civic responsibility back into our community.
     
  6. GoodWitch58

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    thanks for a serious response. I agree with most of what you said. I do not know Rep. Brown, I disgree with his politics most of the time, but I can admire someone who sticks up for what he believes, even if I don't agree. Integrity and standing on principle go a long way with me.

    I also agree with your assessment of Martha and Patrick. I have known Martha since we were in elementary school together: she is a person of integrity--and demonstrates the values which she and I grew up with, and which used to be seen in our local government.

    I am impressed by the way Patrick runs his office and how he responds to citizens. I had a intricate deed question once, and he was extremely thorough and very gracious about answering my detailed questions. It took a while to unravel everything, but we did it together. I felt heard as a citizen and I was helped in a professional manner. I work often with his staff and to a person, they are completely professional and helpful.

    On the other hand, the people in the Planning Office are very difficult to do business with...

    My experience with the Fire Department staff here in South Walton has been very positive as well.

    I do not feel that sense of customer service and assistance when dealing with the TDC, the County Administrator, the EOC director, the County Commissioners or any member of the Law Enforcement community...there is often an attitude of arrogrance and unwillingness to be open to citizens' points of view. It is as though they feel we have no right to question anything or have an opinion that is different than the one they are putting forth. Accountability to the people seems to have been lost along the way.

    This attitude puzzles and saddens me.
     
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  7. wrobert

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    Well keep your identity to yourself. If not, be prepared to be called to task for daring to make such a statement. I know I was.
     
  8. GoodWitch58

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    Actually I wouldn't mind that--it would be nice to know someone cared enough to call me to task!...and lots of people know who I am.
     
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  9. Andy A

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    I stopped by the Dune Allen access this morning and the sign is up just to the east at the first house. It says something about the beach being private from this point on and cites FL. Statute 809.3 (Beach Restoration). I have no idea what that is all about and haven't looked up the statute...yet. I may, I may not. Admitedly, it is not near my stretch of beach which I am much more concerned with, as far as usage is concerned.
     
  10. organicmama

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    He put the larger sign up sometime before we were ever there that day. It wasn't up for too long, as we have been there before & I don't remember it at all. But the smaller sign in front of his property was the one he put up while we were there. I simply had never dealt with the issue of "private property" on the beach. I had read about it, but not experience it at all. That access is somewhat close to our home, so we use it sometimes.
     
  11. GoodWitch58

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    quick check of the F. S. does not show a Chapter 809.3. I wonder if this is the same "bogus' chapter referred to by Not DeadYet re: the Miramar Beach sign...Maybe someone else has more information?
     
  12. organicmama

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    Running out the door, but I googled the statute & didn't get beach restoration. When I did google for fl statutes & beach restoration, I came up with entirely different ones. Can someone research, but don't waste time, just check? Thanks!
     
  13. BeachSiO2

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    That one reads:
    Florida Statute
    No 16D2 FAC

    There is no such number, not in the statutes or the Florida Administrative Code.
     
  15. jodiFL

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    as you can see there is no section 809......
     
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    as you can see there is no section 809......
     
  17. Andy A

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    It is possible that it was 810.3 as I did not have a pencil and paper and was citing from memory. (Which is not as good as it once was). The sign did mention "beach restoration" but I do not remember the exact quote.
     
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    Florida Chapter 809.3

    This statute, written this day to include any and all properties in the county of Walton, starting from a boundary line at the center line of Florida SR 30-a and containing all of that land which lies in-between this boundary and an opposing boundary at the MHWL. Any owner(s) of a property or properties that erect a sign of any type citing property rights shall forfeit all land owned by said individual(s) or enitity(ies). Structures on any such claimed land will be burned at a public bonfire and the offenders personal funds shall be used to supply a full open bar for a month for all attendees of legal age.

    That's all I could find. I'm not sure if it's complete or not.
     
  19. BeachSiO2

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    Pirate may have found something I missed ;-) but in the Fl. statutes I linked there was no 810.03 or 810.3 so who knows what they meant :dunno:
     
  20. Andy A

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    :rolling:Hillarious!!!!
     

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