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seagrovegirl

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Feb 9, 2008
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Historic Old Point Washington
I agree Rita. The way I heard it used in the business world was: " Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!!!!!! "

I'm not following their lead, following can be dangerous, and they have a nack for getting in the way. The signs don't help them find a business, just a general idea of where the town is. "You are here"..."now where do I go?".:bang:
 

Bdarg

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Jul 11, 2005
341
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Point Washington
Much of this has probably already been said, but I am still reeling over the so called TDC workshop Wednesday night and need in part to post this to get it out of my system and partly because I think many of the ideas need to be said over and over again until we get some action.

I was there, saw Sonny Mares(the interim director) end the meeting early because he could not get his way, even though the collective citizenry voted to keep going not two minutes before. I also heard Tracy Louthainrepeat her a thousand times that the 150+ citizens present were ?just a small majority IN [just that]THE ROOM? as though we were not representative of the community at large. The citizens that were there were representative of the community whether the TDC would like to admit it or not. And that citizenry was almost unanimously against the signs?there were only two people that were not against the signs, besides the TDC, one did not like the signs but wanted to wait until they weathered away because she did not want the money to go to waste, the other wanted the signs because he thinks that the signs allow him to drive faster on 30A. 150+ to 2 is better than 99% by my calculator.

Like someone in the back of the room said, we are not after anyone?s job, we just want the ill-advised signs taken down. The design, the positioning, and the process were all terribly flawed. From what has come out in research by the caring members of the community the public notification was limited at best and even that limited amount was confusing and misleading. Let the community come together to make it right. That is what we tried to do Wednesday night.

I understand the TDC?s feeling that there is a need to ?brand? 30A. I just think that they missed the boat. 30A was ?branded? years ago as an enjoyable, eclectic, and artistic community along a beautiful stretch of beach and forest. Places like the old Patrones, Collaborations, Seaside, Bud and Alley?s branded the area long ago for the people that love and return to the beaches each year and the community that loves it year around. Branding the 30A corridor as an offshoot of the TDC with the overly marketed big blue sign is destroying the brand that made 30A what it is. We have already lost some of the founding Brand of our community. Let us protect what is left.

My original intent to the meeting was with the idea that we could constructively come together and make a new sign or at least develop a viable approach to designing new signs. For what it is worth, at the workshop the idea I had planned to bring up?before the TDC laid down the ground rules that only the current signs could be ?brain stormed??was what I thought would be in keeping with the current 30A brand. That is, allow each of the communities along 30A develop their own way finding signs with the caveat that the TDC would give branding guidelines, or a palate of marketing material to use on the signs. This would be similar to many of the architectural guidelines set forth by the communities already. Rules that make Rosemary Beach look like Rosemary Beach and Alys Beach look distinctively like Alys Beach. Thus the overall sign would relate to each community and identify it (quite likely in more ways that one), while some of the TDC elements would link the signs into a group. My first thought was the Beaches of South Walton logo might have to appear discretely on the signs.

That way the signs could be as eclectic as 30A has always been, Watercolor?s would have a sign that blended in with its surrounding, as would Alys Beach and Grayton Beach, etc, etc. down the road.

Branding 30A to look like Ft. Walton, or Destin, or Panama City, would destroy the existing brand. The brand that has set a high standard and despite the over all falling real estate market have still kept Watersound, Watercolor, Rosemary Beach and all the others priced high on the market and viable.

30A has also just been declared a scenic highway. A designation shared by only two other highways in Florida. It was mentioned that the signs do not comply with the scenic designation. It would be a shame for 30A to become the first scenic highway to loose its designation due to non-compliance of the big blue signs.
 

yippie

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Oct 28, 2005
946
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A local
OK. I have not been following this as close as I should, so if this suggestion has already been made, please excuse me.

Has anyone on the board thought about coming up with an alternate design, voted on the board, get the sun involved, of a sign that is pleasing that everyone would accept? I was thinking along the way of those wood sandblasted signs. They are quality signs, of natural materials and IMHO would be fitting for the neighborhoods.

Maybe topping each with the red and white umbrellas (good selling point with the TDC,(a major key), and an eye catcher ((red)), and the information of names of the cities proudly displayed under it. I have something in mind, but I am not an artist.

Then possibly approaching one of the sign companies in sowal for a prototype?

If this has been done, then please excuse me for the suggestion. If no, if there is a graphic artist who sees where i am going with this and would like to work with me, please PM me.

Obviously, they wasted their 260,000.00. The signs I am referring to would not cost nearly as much and would look so much better!
 

Allifunn

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Jan 11, 2006
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Branding 30A to look like Ft. Walton, or Destin, or Panama City, would destroy the existing brand. The brand that has set a high standard and despite the over all falling real estate market have still kept Watersound, Watercolor, Rosemary Beach and all the others priced high on the market and viable.

It would be a shame for 30A to become the first scenic highway to loose its designation due to non-compliance of the big blue signs.
You "get" it! :clap: I have always felt that each beach should have it's own sign, representative to that particular beach's architecture. I like your idea of including the SoWal beach logo in order to create some consistency and cohesiveness.
 

yippie

Beach Fanatic
Oct 28, 2005
946
42
A local
In the paper today under the "Spout off" column. There are a couple of references about the article about the signs. --

NW FLA DAILY NEWS FRIDAY MARCH 28, 2008

The South Walton people who are opposed to the TDC signs all know where they?re going, but leave the signs up for the tourists. My gosh, tourism is what this whole community is based on, and we ought to make it easier for them to get around. If you don?t like the signs, open up your own wallets to change them.
If you don?t like the blue signs on County Road 30A, ignore them like most people ignore red stop signs.
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You can accuse South Walton 30A residents of being elitists, but all you have to do is look at Destin and Fort Walton Beach to see what happens when citizens don?t step up to preserve the beauty of their city or elected politicians ignore their pleas.
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DuneLaker

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Mar 1, 2008
2,643
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Eastern Lake Est., SoWal, FL
Skunkape should have his reply posted in the local newspapers -- from Pensacola to Apalachicola. Excellent. Gives depth and broader vision behind the need to preserve the unique 30A scene. This will provide a continued beautiful place and increase value and a strong economy. Other recent posts are also excellent. In the meantime, may have to reply to spouter that there is a way for signage without making us look like the worst parts of Bay and Okaloosa. I feel for the citizens in those counties. Some do struggle to preserve the best of their past. They've seen the success of South Walton and are copying in a few places.
 

chrisv

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Nov 15, 2004
630
75
Freeport, Florida
I was there, saw Sonny Mares(the interim director) end the meeting early because he could not get his way, even though the collective citizenry voted to keep going not two minutes before. I also heard Tracy Louthain repeat her a thousand times that the 150+ citizens present were ?just a small majority IN [just that]THE ROOM? as though we were not representative of the community at large.

WOW. Like I have said, the TDC had no intention of 'working' with the residents and visitors to South Walton. They made their decision that the signs were staying and more are to come. This has advanced into an adversarial process that we cannot allow to go the TDC's way. The sign issue is just the tip of the problem with a semi-governmental agency run by unelected, rubber-stamping board members and narcissistic paid leadership in control of a slush fund of tens of millions of tax dollars.
 

Rita

margarita brocolia
Dec 1, 2004
5,207
1,634
Dune Allen Beach
You "get" it! :clap: I have always felt that each beach should have it's own sign, representative to that particular beach's architecture. I like your idea of including the SoWal beach logo in order to create some consistency and cohesiveness.

ditto!

Hang in there bdarg! I feel like you and the many others are doing a great job communicating (when allowed :roll:) for us all. It is appreciated! Your ideas are well thought out and compromising.

I would guess if the money already spent is an issue to some on the TDC that most of the beach communities might be willing to fund their own signs and the big blues could be sold on e-bay. (I think we might have a buyer for them here in Texas! :D Our area of suburbs is rapidly growing and uses very similar signs to these, so they'll be needing more signs.;-))

"30A has also just been declared a scenic highway. A designation shared by only two other highways in Florida. It was mentioned that the signs do not comply with the scenic designation. It would be a shame for 30A to become the first scenic highway to loose its designation due to non-compliance of the big blue signs." - bdarg

I find the above very intriguing .....


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organicmama

Beach Fanatic
Jul 31, 2006
1,638
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WNC
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Skunkape should have his reply posted in the local newspapers -- from Pensacola to Apalachicola. Excellent. Gives depth and broader vision behind the need to preserve the unique 30A scene. This will provide a continued beautiful place and increase value and a strong economy. Other recent posts are also excellent. In the meantime, may have to reply to spouter that there is a way for signage without making us look like the worst parts of Bay and Okaloosa. I feel for the citizens in those counties. Some do struggle to preserve the best of their past. They've seen the success of South Walton and are copying in a few places.

ITA and BDarg's too!What I don't get is how they thought they could slip the signage in, just before the scenic route designation occurred, fully knowing that other signs were designed within that designation itself? It sounds as if TDC felt like their agenda was going to be screwed by the designation and wanted to get their "stuff" done first and then claim they can't take them down. The way they are reacting points directly at this possible train of thought. Well, hail, if they had been connected with the community (including both tourists AND locals) they would have never put those things up!A point from BDarg's post... if we could lose the designation because of those butt ugly signs, can there be some sort of alternate route to get those things taken down via Claire and the committee, i.e. a complaint filed with the paper trail showing she had talked at length with the TDC of the scenic route designation plans, including signs, etc.??????
 
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