No offshore drilling

[ASH]

Based on the idea that FL is so sensitive to tourism, couldn't the dollars slated to drill in the gulf be used to create the ability to process the crude under Montana and the Dakotas instead and just use what is presently capped?
No ships to crash into the rocks and we use domestic oil already drilled.
I know. I drilled it.

 

[greenroomsurfer]

Because I don't happen to agree with your position, I now work for or am a lobbyist for the oil industry? Your organization could gain a little credibility (and maybe a little knowledge in the process) by inviting some guest speakers who are experts (both sides) on the issue of drilling off of Florida's coast to your next meeting. Ensure the speakers that it will be a fair, polite and open discussion. Then come back and tell us what you learned, and I'll listen and give it due consideration. In the meantime, I'll keep rolling my eyes which I'm sure is what the Legislators do (after you leave) after telling you whatever it is they think you want to hear.

Interesting, considering they have helped us in the past to get the Clean Oceans Bill and the No Net Loss bill passed with the help of Surfrider lobbyist. Most of the legislators know us from meeting with us year after year. As a matter of fact the clean oceans bill may be implementable in stopping the drilling in the first place. www.surfrider.org View attachment 10100 [ame="http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=22924"]Clean Oceans Bill! - SoWal Beaches Forum[/ame]

 

[full time]

Interesting, considering they have helped us in the past to get the Clean Oceans Bill and the No Net Loss bill passed with the help of Surfrider lobbyist. Most of the legislators know us from meeting with us year after year. As a matter of fact the clean oceans bill may be implementable in stopping the drilling in the first place. www.surfrider.org View attachment 10100 http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=22924

Nice to hear from you - are you an official spokesman for the group? If so, I would like to know the organization's official position on drilling off of the Florida coast. Is it no way, no how, under no circumstances, over our dead bodies, which seems to be the message of the original post, or is the organization flexible on location, methods, etc.? What are the compelling reasons for and against? Does the other side have any valid points or are the oil folks, as pointed out here by several of the posters, "greedy" corporate types bent on destruction of the environment? It's obvious what side of the fence I am on, but I'm not unreasonable like greenroom thinks but neither am I persuaded by pictures of poop and damaged rigs. My views are not easily swayed by dog and pony shows. I've seen enough of them in a previous life. BTW, this argument about all of this lease acreage already available for drilling is total BS talking points - if there was a profitable deposit in that area, the companies would be drilling WITHOUT A DOUBT!

 

[Bobby J]

Nice to hear from you - are you an official spokesman for the group? If so, I would like to know the organization's official position on drilling off of the Florida coast. Is it no way, no how, under no circumstances, over our dead bodies, which seems to be the message of the original post, or is the organization flexible on location, methods, etc.? What are the compelling reasons for and against? Does the other side have any valid points or are the oil folks, as pointed out here by several of the posters, "greedy" corporate types bent on destruction of the environment? It's obvious what side of the fence I am on, but I'm not unreasonable like greenroom thinks but neither am I persuaded by pictures of poop and damaged rigs. My views are not easily swayed by dog and pony shows. I've seen enough of them in a previous life. BTW, this argument about all of this lease acreage already available for drilling is total BS talking points - if there was a profitable deposit in that area, the companies would be drilling WITHOUT A DOUBT!

http://www.surfrider.org/press_releases.aspx?PR_Id=247

I don't think they are bent on the destruction of the environment. I just don't think they care about it as much as we do. I don't think they see or listen to the fact it is already damaged. I don't think they take their kids to play in it every day. I think they are disconnected from reality and only see dollar signs. I also think if you think it is a dog and pony show you are disconnected from what is happening to our ecosystems. Why do you even think there is an argument about drilling in the first place? If we could possibly be causing more harm to our waterways shouldn't we only be looking at alternative solutions? We don't get a do over here! BTW, the pictures of poop are a reality. It was wide open and cranking just outside of Miami (another issue). What does poop have to do with oil? Poor planning and short sighted vision by folks that were telling us we really don't know what we are talking about. If we rely on people that say they are in the know or "related to engineers" we end up repeating the same mistakes over and over again. BTW, this is also my second life. My first life I would have been all for the drilling in the gulf. Thank god I woke up.

 

[greenroomsurfer]

Nice to hear from you - are you an official spokesman for the group? If so, I would like to know the organization's official position on drilling off of the Florida coast. Is it no way, no how, under no circumstances, over our dead bodies, which seems to be the message of the original post, or is the organization flexible on location, methods, etc.? What are the compelling reasons for and against? Does the other side have any valid points or are the oil folks, as pointed out here by several of the posters, "greedy" corporate types bent on destruction of the environment? It's obvious what side of the fence I am on, but I'm not unreasonable like greenroom thinks but neither am I persuaded by pictures of poop and damaged rigs. My views are not easily swayed by dog and pony shows. I've seen enough of them in a previous life. BTW, this argument about all of this lease acreage already available for drilling is total BS talking points - if there was a profitable deposit in that area, the companies would be drilling WITHOUT A DOUBT!

The first initial post was sent to all Panhandle Chapter members from our Regional manager. Based on that, it would be Surfriders position on the matter. If you need info on our mission and purpose see www.surfrider.org

 

[full time]

http://www.surfrider.org/press_releases.aspx?PR_Id=247

I don't think they are bent on the destruction of the environment. I just don't think they care about it as much as we do. I don't think they see or listen to the fact it is already damaged. I don't think they take their kids to play in it every day. I think they are disconnected from reality and only see dollar signs. I also think if you think it is a dog and pony show you are disconnected from what is happening to our ecosystems. Why do you even think there is an argument about drilling in the first place? If we could possibly be causing more harm to our waterways shouldn't we only be looking at alternative solutions? We don't get a do over here! BTW, the pictures of poop are a reality. It was wide open and cranking just outside of Miami (another issue). What does poop have to do with oil? Poor planning and short sighted vision by folks that were telling us we really don't know what we are talking about. If we rely on people that say they are in the know or "related to engineers" we end up repeating the same mistakes over and over again. BTW, this is also my second life. My first life I would have been all for the drilling in the gulf. Thank god I woke up.

When the environmentalists in California are more reasonable than the good folks at Florida Surfrider, then you know something is amiss. Science shows that natural seepage from Mother Earth is responsible for 4 times the amount of oil in our waterways (with the un-natural amount mostly the result of runoff from highways). Don't you think it's pretty ballsy for you guys to omit that fact when urging people to contact Legislators to oppose drilling? Why not disclose all of the facts and the pros and cons and let intelligent people make up their own minds. Otherwise, it's looks no better than anyone else's propaganda, including the oil companies.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121581714417147413.html

 

[Bobby J]

When the environmentalists in California are more reasonable than the good folks at Florida Surfrider, then you know something is amiss. Science shows that natural seepage from Mother Earth is responsible for 4 times the amount of oil in our waterways (with the un-natural amount mostly the result of runoff from highways). Don't you think it's pretty ballsy for you guys to omit that fact when urging people to contact Legislators to oppose drilling? Why not disclose all of the facts and the pros and cons and let intelligent people make up their own minds. Otherwise, it's looks no better than anyone else's propaganda, including the oil companies.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121581714417147413.html

Surfrider Foundation is not the only group opposed to drilling in the gulf. I would bet that GOO is opposed to drilling in the gulf. Like your link states they struck a deal. I think the best part about your link is they were getting drilling shoved down their throat and the only way to make it slow down was a compromise. Here is the best part:
It made numerous concessions to the local environmental groups that would curtail drilling in about a decade --
You make it sound like they were all just thrilled about it.
It kind of brings me back to the poop picture. You know how they got them to close it off? First of all the reefs and coral began to die in the area and many environmentalist felt it was because the poop in the pic. Those in "the know" said there was no scientific evidence supporting the poop being the problem. There is no scientific evidence because no base line was ever established. So the environmental group convinced them they could make money off the poop if they recycle/reclaim it and use it on golf courses and public areas. Those in "the know" took the bait and closed off the drain for a period TBD. The environmental group took action and began to monitor the coral to develop a base line. My point, sometimes the game has to be played in order to get the result you are looking for. Especially, when you are up against big business.

 

[Bobby J]

When the environmentalists in California are more reasonable than the good folks at Florida Surfrider, then you know something is amiss. Science shows that natural seepage from Mother Earth is responsible for 4 times the amount of oil in our waterways (with the un-natural amount mostly the result of runoff from highways). Don't you think it's pretty ballsy for you guys to omit that fact when urging people to contact Legislators to oppose drilling? Why not disclose all of the facts and the pros and cons and let intelligent people make up their own minds. Otherwise, it's looks no better than anyone else's propaganda, including the oil companies.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121581714417147413.html

BTW, how do you get one group called GOO representing all environmentalist in California? That article may be the propaganda we both are worried about.

 

[full time]

BTW, how do you get one group called GOO representing all environmentalist in California? That article may be the propaganda we both are worried about.

Seriously Bobby - did you know that the vast majority of oil in our waterways was natural seepage (something like 62 million gallons annually)? I didn't know that but thought it was an interesting fact. The counter seems to be that Mother Earth does not discharge a large concentration in a single location. Did you know that Katrina and Rita only resulted in a discharge of 17,000 gallons in the Gulf? I have to confess that 17,000 gallons in the entire Gulf seems pretty minuscule when the Earth itself discharges 62,000,000 annually into our waterways. In fact, if my math is right, the equivalent of 17,000 gallons a day for the entire year continuing for a decade would be required to equal the amount of natural seepage annually. Doesn't this fact require some coherent explanation from the organization before we scare the bejeezus out of Floridians with claims of environmental Armageddon?

 

[Bobby J]

Seriously Bobby - did you know that the vast majority of oil in our waterways was natural seepage (something like 62 million gallons annually)? I didn't know that but thought it was an interesting fact. The counter seems to be that Mother Earth does not discharge a large concentration in a single location. Did you know that Katrina and Rita only resulted in a discharge of 17,000 gallons in the Gulf? I have to confess that 17,000 gallons in the entire Gulf seems pretty minuscule when the Earth itself discharges 62,000,000 annually into our waterways. In fact, if my math is right, the equivalent of 17,000 gallons a day for the entire year continuing for a decade would be required to equal the amount of natural seepage annually. Doesn't this fact require some coherent explanation from the organization before we scare the bejeezus out of Floridians with claims of environmental Armageddon?

I will stick with mother nature on this one.
I think she can handle her own seepage. We live in a scary world when we begin to think that we are above the eb and flow of mother earth. That is what should be scaring people.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/27/jindal-katrina-oil-spill/