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30ashopper

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I would venture that a majority of loans in Walton County, especially along 30-A are probably ALT-A's rather than subprimes. Wouldn't stand to reason that folks buying at 2005 prices down here had to have better credit - hence land in a higher rating? Also, we may actually be at or near a peak in the Option ARM resets right now -

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Loan renewals are going to force foreclosures over the immediate term. 3 year loans with a balloon are not being renewed on properties that are over mortgaged without substantial equity infusions. I know that many lot owners are being forced by their lenders to bring 200,000 to 500,000 in cash to their loan renewal. The lender would rather foreclose than renew the loans.
 

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Loan renewals are going to force foreclosures over the immediate term. 3 year loans with a balloon are not being renewed on properties that are over mortgaged without substantial equity infusions. I know that many lot owners are being forced by their lenders to bring 200,000 to 500,000 in cash to their loan renewal. The lender would rather foreclose than renew the loans.


Is it because of how it would look on their books? If someone is making the payments and is trying and willing to continue, I do not see the logic in foreclosing unless the banks believe that values are still in a free fall and only going to get worse and not better.
 

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Is it because of how it would look on their books? If someone is making the payments and is trying and willing to continue, I do not see the logic in foreclosing unless the banks believe that values are still in a free fall and only going to get worse and not better.

I'll throw out our personal experience. We have a five-year balloon lot loan that comes due at the end of the year. The mortgage company wants the balloon off the books, period. They are not willing to do anything to extend the terms. And we put 20 percent down on a reasonably priced, well-located lot five years ago. We are refinancing with this bank, but only because the two places we found that would do a refinance wanted to charge us 8 percent plus.

The worst part may be that our lot appraised at 30 percent below its late 2003 value. :shock: We may have to bring cash to our own refinance! But it also means that those other two banks probably would not be willing to work with us at all. Our only mistake in this is going into the purchase thinking that we would want to sell or build within five years. We don't care about whatever current value they come up with; we are end users & we want to hang onto the property. We are the types of people the banks should want to work with, but no dice. I just think there is room for things to still get uglier before it gets better -- not because of a lack of inherent value along 30-A, but because the lending climate is so horrendous and nobody knows what will happen next.
 
Is it because of how it would look on their books? If someone is making the payments and is trying and willing to continue, I do not see the logic in foreclosing unless the banks believe that values are still in a free fall and only going to get worse and not better.

I know at least one party who is facing the end of the lot loan and is up for renewal in Watersound West Beach. The lot was over 700,000 from JOE in 2005 and a comp. is now 275,000 from JOE today. The bank wants big cash or they're going to foreclose and try to collect the deficiency against the borrower. If the bank succeeds they will have improved their balance sheet with no loss. This is based on the theory that you can't short sell just because you are upside down. If a borrower has assetts the lender has a right to recover same. They don't always lose.
 
I'll throw out our personal experience. We have a five-year balloon lot loan that comes due at the end of the year. The mortgage company wants the balloon off the books, period. They are not willing to do anything to extend the terms. And we put 20 percent down on a reasonably priced, well-located lot five years ago. We are refinancing with this bank, but only because the two places we found that would do a refinance wanted to charge us 8 percent plus.

The worst part may be that our lot appraised at 30 percent below its late 2003 value. :shock: We may have to bring cash to our own refinance! But it also means that those other two banks probably would not be willing to work with us at all. Our only mistake in this is going into the purchase thinking that we would want to sell or build within five years. We don't care about whatever current value they come up with; we are end users & we want to hang onto the property. We are the types of people the banks should want to work with, but no dice. I just think there is room for things to still get uglier before it gets better -- not because of a lack of inherent value along 30-A, but because the lending climate is so horrendous and nobody knows what will happen next.


Are you willing to share where your lot is?
 

30ashopper

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I know at least one party who is facing the end of the lot loan and is up for renewal in Watersound West Beach. The lot was over 700,000 from JOE in 2005 and a comp. is now 275,000 from JOE today. The bank wants big cash or they're going to foreclose and try to collect the deficiency against the borrower. If the bank succeeds they will have improved their balance sheet with no loss. This is based on the theory that you can't short sell just because you are upside down. If a borrower has assetts the lender has a right to recover same. They don't always lose.

How does taking a 60% loss on a loan constitute "no loss" for the bank? They won't collect the residual, these folks will be in bankruptcy in short order.
 
How does taking a 60% loss on a loan constitute "no loss" for the bank? They won't collect the residual, these folks will be in bankruptcy in short order.

Haven't you ever filled out a financial statement when taking out a loan? The lender wants to know about the borrowers assetts so they can decide on approving the loan. If something happens where the bank is forced to foreclose they will seek to recover their loss by seizing those assetts. Many borrowers will even use their securities as collatteral. Certainly many borrowers will try to move their assetts around, but that can change the case from civil to criminal.

I believe that not all foreclosures end with a big loss to the lender. Many actions are a business decision by the lender where they believe they have a better opportunity to collect through the foreclosure process.
 

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Haven't you ever filled out a financial statement when taking out a loan? The lender wants to know about the borrowers assetts so they can decide on approving the loan. If something happens where the bank is forced to foreclose they will seek to recover their loss by seizing those assetts. Many borrowers will even use their securities as collatteral. Certainly many borrowers will try to move their assetts around, but that can change the case from civil to criminal.

I believe that not all foreclosures end with a big loss to the lender. Many actions are a business decision by the lender where they believe they have a better opportunity to collect through the foreclosure process.

I wonder how much of those "assets" were in other real estate at the time. There's certainly no guarantee that assets held at time of loan app remain in the picture today, even cash assets.
 
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