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buster

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She should not imply that I'm intolerant because I disagree with Obama. I was a Romney supporter, but I would never consider that those who disagree with him, politically, were intolerant of his religion.

There are other non-Obama supporters who would share their views on this forum, but are afraid of similar treatment.

ok toots straight up, when someone backs anyone other than Obama they are blasted! You and a couple of others go into a tailspin. And they're mostly talking about another democrat .
The fact is I have quite a bit to say on the subject,but hesitate to because I ddn't enjoy being called a racist,simple minded or worse.

Ditto for me! Not to mention the fact if some of us are a little off center in our presentation, we might be banned. I have a lot I could say regarding this thread and I well still might say it. I have read every post with great interest but it is obvious to even the most casual observer that cck and cp get hammered for their opinions while rapunzel and tootsie as well as others receive accolades for theirs. The bias is obvious and duly noted by this poster and I, for one, do not care to be denigrated for mine as cck has been so I'll just shut up. Thanks from those of us that agree with you, cck, for taking all the heat. We appreciate the fact that we don't have to do so.


At the risk of being irritating let me say that there are quite a few posters that have chips on their shoulders and sound like whiney babies. Woe is me, poor me, people keep telling me I'm wrong. Waaah Waaah!

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the political forum.

It was an awesome speech no matter what side you're on and if you don't know it you're ignorant, racist, or just plain scared of facing real issues. Pulling an american flag over your eyes is no way to go through life. We have real problems, real issues [not lapel pins] :roll:
 

Santiago

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Something interesting to read.

Throw Grandma Under the Bus
by Ann Coulter
Posted: 03/19/2008

Obama gave a nice speech, except for everything he said about race. He apparently believes we're not talking enough about race. This is like hearing Britney Spears say we're not talking enough about pop-tarts with substance-abuse problems.
By now, the country has spent more time talking about race than John Kerry has talked about Vietnam, John McCain has talked about being a POW, John Edwards has talked about his dead son, and Al Franken has talked about his USO tours.
But the "post-racial candidate" thinks we need to talk yet more about race. How much more? I had had my fill by around 1974. How long must we all marinate in the angry resentment of black people?
As an authentic post-racial American, I will not patronize blacks by pretending Obama's pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is anything other than a raving racist loon. If a white pastor had said what Rev. Wright said -- not about black people, but literally, the exact same things -- I think we'd notice that he's crazier than Ward Churchill and David Duke's love child. (Indeed, both Churchill and the Rev. Wright referred to the attacks of 9/11 as the chickens coming "home to roost.")
Imagine a white pastor saying: "Racism is the American way. Racism is how this country was founded, and how this country is still run. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority. And believe it more than we believe in God."
Imagine a white pastor calling Condoleezza Rice, "Condoskeezza Rice."
Imagine a white pastor saying: "No, no, no, God damn America -- that's in the Bible for killing innocent people! God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human! God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme!"
We treat blacks like children, constantly talking about their temper tantrums right in front of them with airy phrases about black anger. I will not pat blacks on the head and say, "Isn't that cute?" As a post-racial American, I do not believe "the legacy of slavery" gives black people the right to be permanently ill-mannered.
Obama tried to justify Wright's deranged rants by explaining that "legalized discrimination" is the "reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up." He said that a "lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families."
That may accurately describe the libretto of "Porgy and Bess," but it has no connection to reality. By Rev. Wright's own account, he was 12 years old and was attending an integrated school in Philadelphia when Brown v. Board of Education was announced, ending "separate but equal" schooling.
Meanwhile, at least since the Supreme Court's decision in University of California v. Bakke in 1978 -- and obviously long before that, or there wouldn't have been a case or controversy for the court to consider -- it has been legal for the government to discriminate against whites on the basis of their race.
Consequently, any white person 30 years old or younger has lived, since the day he was born, in an America where it is legal to discriminate against white people. In many cases it's not just legal, but mandatory, for example, in education, in hiring and in Academy Award nominations.
So for half of Rev. Wright's 66 years, discrimination against blacks was legal -- though he never experienced it personally because it existed in a part of the country where he did not live. For the second half of Wright's life, discrimination against whites was legal throughout the land.
Discrimination has become so openly accepted that -- in a speech meant to tamp down his association with a black racist -- Obama felt perfectly comfortable throwing his white grandmother under the bus. He used her as the white racist counterpart to his black racist "old uncle," Rev. Wright.
First of all, Wright is not Obama's uncle. The only reason we indulge crazy uncles is that everyone understands that people don't choose their relatives the way they choose, for example, their pastors and mentors. No one quarrels with idea that you can't be expected to publicly denounce your blood relatives.
But Wright is not a relative of Obama's at all. Yet Obama cravenly compared Wright's racist invective to his actual grandmother, who "once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."
Rev. Wright accuses white people of inventing AIDS to kill black men, but Obama's grandmother -- who raised him, cooked his food, tucked him in at night, and paid for his clothes and books and private school -- has expressed the same feelings about passing black men on the street that Jesse Jackson has.
Unlike his "old uncle" -- who is not his uncle -- Obama had no excuses for his grandmother. Obama's grandmother never felt the lash of discrimination! Crazy grandma doesn't get the same pass as the crazy uncle; she's white. Denounce the racist!
Fine. Can we move on now?
No, of course, not. It never ends. To be fair, Obama hinted that we might have one way out: If we elect him president, then maybe, just maybe, we can stop talking about race.

What he said. This may be the best post that I've seen in the political forum. Youdaman, Apokin?
 

Teresa

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ok toots straight up, when someone backs anyone other than Obama they are blasted! You and a couple of others go into a tailspin. And they're mostly talking about another democrat .
The fact is I have quite a bit to say on the subject,but hesitate to because I ddn't enjoy being called a racist,simple minded or worse.

thank you cp and andy a for your honesty here. very sorry you are feeling blasted when it seems to me that plenty on here do not support obama for quite a few reasons. and that is fine. no one expects you to.

why would you be banned for expressing your opinion andy a? that comment is an insult to this board, imo. I would never be a member of a group if I felt this way.

I hope you will soon feel ready to freely express yourselves and the platform/issues you are supporting.

we all have our reasons for choosing a candidate. Mine is leadership.:wave:
 

hnooe

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Jul 21, 2007
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What he said. This may be the best post that I've seen in the political forum. Youdaman, Apokin?

OK, then my fears and suspiscions have now been realized. Ann Coulter is now Carl Rove's personal kinky, *****y, mistress and is living in Rosemary Beach under an assumed name, and is now even on the Sowal boards....as "ACoulertgeist." I mean I knew it , I just knew it! All the clues were there all along, why didn't anyone else notice it!!! :eek:
 

Rita

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Dec 1, 2004
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At the risk of being irritating let me say that there are quite a few posters that have chips on their shoulders and sound like whiney babies. Woe is me, poor me, people keep telling me I'm wrong. Waaah Waaah!

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the political forum.

It was an awesome speech no matter what side you're on and if you don't know it you're ignorant, racist, or just plain scared of facing real issues. Pulling an american flag over your eyes is no way to go through life. We have real problems, real issues [not lapel pins] :roll:

:sosad: ... OK, Buster, I'll agree your post is irritating (and imo unnecessarily divisive). Most people are just offering opinions and rebuttals with or without chips on their shoulders.

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Linda

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Jul 11, 2005
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At the risk of being irritating let me say that there are quite a few posters that have chips on their shoulders and sound like whiney babies. Woe is me, poor me, people keep telling me I'm wrong. Waaah Waaah!

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the political forum.

It was an awesome speech no matter what side you're on and if you don't know it you're ignorant, racist, or just plain scared of facing real issues. Pulling an american flag over your eyes is no way to go through life. We have real problems, real issues [not lapel pins] :roll:

You just made Andy, CP, and CCK's point Buster. This post is not only irritating it is insulting.
 

Santiago

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May 29, 2005
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It's always "insulting", "thoughtless" and "irritating" to liberals when someone disagrees with them isn't it Tootsie? Where you see leadership I see a liar. Someone as brilliant as Obama didn't notice the racist making these comments for 20 years. Give me a break. And in case we didn't buy that, lets throw grandma under the bus to divert everyone's attention. What an effing joke. I can't think of any reason in the world that anyone would vote for this guy except that his wife could finally be proud of her country. I know, I know, she didn't really mean it like that.
 

elgordoboy

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Feb 9, 2007
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At the risk of being irritating let me say that there are quite a few posters that have chips on their shoulders and sound like whiney babies. Woe is me, poor me, people keep telling me I'm wrong. Waaah Waaah!

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the political forum.

It was an awesome speech no matter what side you're on and if you don't know it you're ignorant, racist, or just plain scared of facing real issues. Pulling an american flag over your eyes is no way to go through life. We have real problems, real issues [not lapel pins] :roll:
Heck I repped him for it. :dunno: But I am not gonna argue about it :wave: I am ready to smoke the peace pipe on many threads.
 
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Geo

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Dec 24, 2006
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I do not believe, imho, there is any comparison to the length of time that any religious group suffered persecution, or that any other race in this country has been discriminated against or oppressed longer than African Americans, especially in the name of capitalism. Because the African societies couldn't protect themselves in the 1600's politically and militarily against their peoples being taken into slave trade, the ideology of black inferiority started. This ideology was brought into our society and passed down generation to generation. Even with strides made in the civil rights movement, one only needs to look at the schism between incomes of white families vs. black families still to this day to see that that ideology is still embedded in the subconcious of our culture.

Obama openly and courageously approaches a subject that many would prefer to sweep under the table.

How can we pretend that it doesn't exist, when even between white people in this country there are cultural differences that still exist. We only need to look at the thread regarding the display of a rebel flag on license plates. To me it is offensive, but would I disown my Southern friend who chooses to display it for whatever reason they have? Someone who may have opened their hearts, minds and home to someone in need? someone who might share their last dollars with someone who is hungry?
Since when do stop accepting people for their difference in views and the life experiences that brought them to that point? If one considers themselves to be religious, don't all faiths preach acceptance of others. Since when are pastors, reverends, priests or congregation leaders perfect? They are only men.

Until we approach these subjects without becoming defensive, how can our country become united, fix our our economic mess, and even think of setting an example worldwide.

I want a President who can listen to other world leaders without passing judgement on their cultures and views. I want someone who is going to surround themselves with varying opinions. We've already seen people forced to resign from offices in the current administration who do not conform to their views.
:clap:

Well said, Mango. And thanks for keeping your posting about politics.
 
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