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John R

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Dec 31, 2005
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So I buy my beach front home for a million or so dollars, in a residential area, with covenants and restrictions that say no commercial activity. And you think it is okay that the guy next door rents out his million or so dollar home, every weekend, Thursday through Sunday, from April until September for a wedding, with noise, music, and activities going on into all hours of the night, and I am the bad guy?

this in no way relates to what is being discussed in this thread.
 

Groovegirls

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Oct 13, 2008
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as i understand this particular situation, the band playing, was playing at an acoustic level.

If one wanted to raise hell, i believe the ordinance pertains to only amplified sounds, so maybe we should have all-acoustic sit ins, where the entire bar sings. I'd double check that ordinance and get a true legal opinion before doing that. ;-)


i love it!
 

Groovegirls

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Coconut Radio was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is a shame they got hurt, but apparently it is the manager they should blame, not the neighbors.

I am confused. Unless the manager was arrested for something not related to noise, I don't understand your point.
 

Groovegirls

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I don't live anywhere near the Pandoras neighborhood, and have read every line of this thread to here before deciding to comment.

Is the 100 foot distance an effort to keep the music being played contained within the business patrons seating area? This would make sense to me.

I would go to more live music if I though there was a chance of being able to spend time with someone and actually carry out a conversation at the same time without needing to scream at the top of my lungs. Too many times, this is not possible.

To their defense, it doesn't sound like this is what the Coconuts were doing either.

The music intended for the folks hanging out at Pandoras should not need to be so loud as to be heard at the Red Bar, right? Seriously, right?
I grew up with Skynerd and Kiss and Mickey, but I don't need to listen to it at 110 decibels. It takes it way outside of my personal space and into someone else who maybe wants to listen to ABBA....or just the waves they just drove 800 miles to listen to.

I agree with both sides of this thread and would implore everyone to put their picket signs and pitchforks down.

Where would these local communities be without all the artists and musicians?
Where would these local communities be without the beaches and the waves?

You gotta have them both. Empathy, understanding the needs of the local small communities and above all, patience will yield the proper solution.


Everybody does get excited about this subject but I want to point out that all we have asked for since the beginning is a clear and fair ordinance. Most bars have followed "the assumed ordinance" for years with minimal problems. A two piece string band at 9:30 on Saturday night seems pretty reasonable to me. But if one person doesn't think so then its over. If we had clear rules to follow that problem and this thread would not exist. Plus, the cops would be free to fight crime
 

Groovegirls

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I have mixed feelings about the fact that the ordinance allows anonymous complaints. That makes sense for law enforcement agencies wanting tips for violent crimes, thievery, stalking, abuse, vandalism, etc., so people don't have to fear for their safety. But for music that's too loud, without an objective standard to follow? I don't think so.

Seems this ordinance may need to be revised.


My understanding is that you can get the info. They don't want to give the information out at the time of the "disturbance". I would guess they dont want to to create another disturbance. I'm not sure how one would get that info but it would be nice to know if we are dealing a few people over and over or several people. My guess is a few but I don't claim to know.
 

Groovegirls

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try being quiet when people want to sleep....that may work


I appreciate your point but nothing is that easy. Lots of people are up at 9:30 on Saturday. Some people aren't. I sometimes work days and start work before other people get up. Sometimes I work nights and go to bed when others get up. In fact my neighbor mows his lawn early on Saturday morning. About an hour or so atfer I go to bed (after work, just to clarify). I don't call the police. I could go ask him to adjust his schedule but he has been mowing that yard on Saturday morning since before I even lived here. Live and let live. He isn't trying to bother me and I did choose move to a house with a neighbor who mows his yard. I could live in the woods if I wanted to expect total peace on my schedule. There is a middle ground. We just have to find it. A string band on Saturday night might just be too much for some people but it seems far from the middle ground when someone goes to jail over it. If the police took an adjustment policy, it might not take long to figure out what volume does work. And keep in mind these bar owners are trying to please their clientelle. That is what any reasonable person in any business would do. None of us in the bar or entertainment indusrty want to disturb any peace or infringe on others rights but it has to be a two way street to work.
 

Smiling JOe

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I've driven past Pandora's at night while bands were playing on many nights. From the road, you cannot hear them playing. It is only when you approach the back patio that you can typically hear any music or noise.
 

GoodWitch58

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Oct 10, 2005
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"It's 9:30 p.m. and it's Saturday night: Have your Turned Your Music Off?"
(Sarcasm on)
 
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rapunzel

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Nov 30, 2005
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We live one door down to the house that could be described as the house that backs up to Pandora's. We have a porch off our bedroom upstairs, and when we first moved in last September, I'd go out on the porch and listen to the music from Pandora's. It was barely audible, just a soft murmur of background music. It was really pleasant. That stopped shortly after we moved in, when these complaints started. The music had never been loud enough for us to hear when we were inside the house.

As for Saturday night, I never heard any music. Our upstairs air conditioner was broken, so I had the back doors to the porch open as well as all the windows. I heard nothing. My peace was only disturbed by the fireworks on the beach (the gunpowder smell was drifting into my bedroom) and the flashing lights of the three police cars at a nearby house.

With all this support, perhaps a campaign of visibility would help more than anything else. Come up with a slogan -- something like "I support live, local music" or "Keep Grayton Funn" with a musical design -- and make bumper stickers, yard signs, etc. Perhaps local folk/political sign painter Skunkape would volunteer his services...I'm sure with all the talented people in the arts community around here, a great design would be easy. I'll volunteer to put up a yard sign. I'm sure the visible support of neighbors would do much to further your cause!
 
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