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mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Who suggested we eradicate history? Who said it, find the post that suggested that. You're one attempting to cherry pick and whitewash it. You have gone from history to hysterics.
Denial or selective thoughts is a form of eradication (removal or loss of awareness).
 

poppy

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Sep 10, 2008
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History is awesome and it's everything. It's the past that shapes our future. I would say that most people who wish to see the flag taken down agree how important knowledge of our own history is for all of us. From local history to world history, from prehistoric to modern day. Fascinating.

But we get to choose the symbols that represent us today. Is it the confederate flag? For some, yes. For others, no. Is the confederate memorial ok? I think so. It tells a slice of our history. Does it need a flag that represents southern heritage and white pride? I think not. Our pride should come from our actions and the way we live. The way we care for our people. Our heritage is so much more than a flag.

Yes, build memorials and even use taxpayer money to fund it. Just remove that damn flag from the buildings and properties where our representative democracy conducts it's business. I'm originally from Tennessee where there are numerous parks, memorials, battle fields, and markers telling the history of the civil war. No one is trying erase history.:bang:
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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So everyone is in agreement, spend tax payer dollars to fund museums filled with accurate information regarding Southern Heritage. Now, where do we get the money? Seems that everything was okay with spending a few dollars on a flag and now we are talking about tens of thousands of tax payer dollars and donations. Listen, I am all for it and I am ready to donate. Lets make it happen so we can ALL be happy and respected!
 

Danny Glidewell

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Mar 26, 2008
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The flag is a visual representation of the history behind the monument. Nothing more or nothing less. People want it left there for that purpose, not to make any political statement about today's issues. I have no problem with placing other monuments as they relate to Walton County history as long as they are paid for with private funds. We have 20 million or so in storm water projects that require every tax dollar we can find to pay for. As far as the Japanese-American interment, while that is certainly a tragic chapter in American history, it did not occur in Walton County nor did anyone from here experience it.
The Sam Story/Euchee Indians were an integral part of the beginning of Walton County and it is probably past time that we memorialize them.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Yes Danny, we must find a way to preserve the county's Native American History with at least a memorial. We should have a history museum that includes a Native American Exhibit as well. Is it possible to set aside some of the BP money for that?
 

Jdarg

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Feb 15, 2005
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The worst part of this debate has been how the defenders of the flag have communicated their reasons for keeping the flag. If you look at the angry comments on the FB page and in the newspaper (and here), they revolve around "Yankee go home if you don't like it here", and labeling promoters of removing the flag as "liberals", "outsiders", "the politically correct crowd", and "far left radicals". There are also so many bitter race comments.

So for a few examples, here are some of my favorite quotes from flag supporters on the FB page. I left them "as is". These comments really say it all.

"Those of u that sAy the flag means racism are the ones who have racism in your harts let it fly u racist pigs."

"If u don't like are southern flag take your Yankee loving *****ing ass back north."

"At some point we have to agree that there are just as many black people defending it as they are against it also same for white people." (this one is really funny)

A nice personal attack on a reverend.
"Reverend you need to stick to preaching funerals for people you know nothing about you nor your church want this fight. I am aware of members of your congregation that are "modern democrats" whom may tell you this is a good idea. It's not. You would be more served to get to know your members so the next funeral you preach you don't murder it. That is all."

"If you ask me the pastor sounds like he is the one thats racism. He was there for a nameing of a street MLK, Jr thats in every town , But he dident drive down it or pay for it , Did HE" (niiiice)

Threats are always interesting too.
"Y'all r just begging for the south t rise again... I reckon you'll see it when you all ignorantly cross lines yall forgot that we still draw. And it ain't us crossing them. Keep pushin, just remember it was y'all not us"

It would take all day to post all the hateful, horrible, and threatening comments. It's not the bad grammar and spelling that bothers me the most- it is the scary tone. You have to admit the supporters of removing the flag don't resort to communicating in such a pathetic way.
 
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Andy A

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Feb 28, 2007
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Blue Mountain Beach
It would seem some do not understand what a memorial is regardless of who it is for. I have previously said deed that portion of the court house grounds to the founders of the memorial. It then becames private property. The county will not miss a few square feet of the court house lawn. If it needs to be moved, move it. But the question then becomes where? It must be a place that reflects the support for the sacrifice and heritage of the Confederate soldiers. Maybe near the library on the lake circle. The point remains. Many, including me, see the flag as a part of the memorial overall and therefore it flys as such. I certainly have no strong personal feelings about the Confederacy. It is not part of my heritage or backround. I never saw a "white only" water fountain or rest room. As I have said previously, where I grew up there was no such thing and by the time I got to the South, integration was fully implemented. Let the chips fall where they may but I will be urging all five Commissioners to either move the memorial, deed the land it sits on, or let the flag fly. One further point. If the flag is removed, let the flag pole be used to fly the American stars and stripes!
 

mputnal

Beach Fanatic
Nov 10, 2009
2,395
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The worst part of this debate has been how the defenders of the flag have communicated their reasons for keeping the flag. If you look at the angry comments on the FB page and in the newspaper (and here), they revolve around "Yankee go home if you don't like it here", and labeling promoters of removing the flag as "liberals", "outsiders", "the politically correct crowd", and "far left radicals". There are also so many bitter race comments.

So for a few examples, here are some of my favorite quotes from flag supporters on the FB page. I left them "as is". These comments really say it all.

"Those of u that sAy the flag means racism are the ones who have racism in your harts let it fly u racist pigs."

"If u don't like are southern flag take your Yankee loving *****ing ass back north."

"At some point we have to agree that there are just as many black people defending it as they are against it also same for white people." (this one is really funny)

A nice personal attack on a reverend.
"Reverend you need to stick to preaching funerals for people you know nothing about you nor your church want this fight. I am aware of members of your congregation that are "modern democrats" whom may tell you this is a good idea. It's not. You would be more served to get to know your members so the next funeral you preach you don't murder it. That is all."

"If you ask me the pastor sounds like he is the one thats racism. He was there for a nameing of a street MLK, Jr thats in every town , But he dident drive down it or pay for it , Did HE" (niiiice)

Threats are always interesting too.
"Y'all r just begging for the south t rise again... I reckon you'll see it when you all ignorantly cross lines yall forgot that we still draw. And it ain't us crossing them. Keep pushin, just remember it was y'all not us"

It would take all day to post all the hateful, horrible, and threatening comments. It's not the bad grammar and spelling that bothers me the most- it is the scary tone. You have to admit the supporters of removing the flag don't resort to communicating in such a pathetic way.

Jdarg, that last sentence is totally incorrect. You personally have called me "willfully ignorant" and you have label poor people as being a lower class of equality as you. I am sorry if this offends you but when you say it you got to own up to it.
 
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