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beachpirate

Beach Lover
Feb 15, 2007
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Montgomery
Where is ole Lewis and Catfish when we need him.
 

rapunzel

Beach Fanatic
Nov 30, 2005
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Point Washington
I :love: that song! :clap: I sunbathed on those rocks in the middle of the Chattahoochee as a teenager! Thanks for the sweet reminder, Rapunzel. :cool: :love:
Here's another grayt one! Ain't nobody lookin' back again! Do you like this song?

:wave:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nNkFUIoSMs&feature=related

OH MY GOSH...you have NO IDEA how you just hit the nail on the head as far as evoking fond childhood memories. Generally speaking, I don't like country music, but my mother loved this band and constantly played this tape (back in the days of cassettes) and this really brings back memories of driving around in the car with my mom when I was in elementary school. I can even remember the car smell from the car she drove back then. Amazing.

Honestly, I'd never paid much attention to the lyrics, but you're right...they are very appropriate. Much better than that first song, and even Dixie. Not that I don't like Dixie, but I know some people did use it to show they rejected the 1955 and 1964 civil rights events. I think you found a good one there. Do you know if Alabama/Randy Owens (I can't believe I just pulled that name out of some dusty corner of my brain -- he kissed me on the cheek after a concert when I was about 8) wrote it?

This makes me think on a deeper level, though. We really have to be adamant when people take our symbols and usurp them for some hateful or divisive purpose. I know you don't like Barack Obama, and this isn't a political forum so please realize this is just the example that started the train of thought, but when I worked on setting up the town meeting, one of his foreign policy advisors commented that it was important to Obama that we use the flag prominently and treat it with utmost respect. This was the man who so lovingly folded it into a perfect triangle after it was taken down. I admit that subconsciously I'd started to associate reverence for the flag with Republicans, and that's shameful. We should alway remember that when someone takes a beloved symbol, or song, or even religion and wraps themselves in it to hide the hate underneath that we must immediately take it back from them and use it to fight them. Imagine if, when proud Southerners who didn't oppose the Civil Rights act or Brown v. Board had taken that flag with them and said "don't use this flag my grandfather fought and died under to promote your filthy racism," then it wouldn't be the painful symbol it is today. I wish they had done so, but now we must admit that to most people the rebels of 1955 created the legacy of that flag in the modern mind -- not the rebels of 1861.
 

seacrestkristi

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Nov 27, 2005
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:clap:I don't know who wrote it but it is quite catchy and sweet. :cool: I can just see you and your mom now. Sweet. Did you grow up in Louisiana or is that where you met the skunkster? :love:
Oh yeah, the flag, I think it means different things to different people and I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I do respect the southerners who had family die fighting in the civil war. That's all I personally think of when I see that flag. I never think of 1955 when I see it. I think of civil war between the North and the South.
One of my old bosses was a Son of a Confederate, where they go play historical reenactments of battle, civil war living, etc. They collect war items, etc. He had family that died fighting. He always treated everyone with respect and very equally at work, black or white. I think he made me realize it wasn't a hate or slavery thing at all for him and many. It was an historical society. Admittedly, though, I don't know much about the organization. I think he believed more like your quote though~"don't use this flag my grandfather fought and died under to promote your filthy racism..." That is a beautiful quote and I think sums it up for lots of folks from the south or who have southern roots.
 
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scooterbug44

SoWal Expert
May 8, 2007
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Sowal
My favorite analogy for this issue is Nazi Germany and its swastika. Below is your quote with Jews substituted for black Americans, Nazi for Southerner and swastika for flag...
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Yes, it is a sensitive subject, but seeing only the perspective of Jews is about as narrow focused as seeing only the Nazi heritage perspective. Hundreds of thousands of Germans were killed, flying that swastika, so if you think these ancestors aren't offended when people tell them that the swastika is hateful toward Jews, you have another thing coming.

I know of at least 5 of my ancestors who went off to fight in the War, and never came back. I don't fly the swastika, but I can understand why some people, choose to fly it

Great way to demonstrate the reality of the situation! :clap:
 

rapunzel

Beach Fanatic
Nov 30, 2005
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Point Washington
Did you grow up in Louisiana or is that where you met the skunkster? :love:

No, indeed! I grew up in Georgia! That's why I referenced Georgia on My Mind...

I have no problem with Civil War Re-enactors using the Confederate battle flag, but I wish the heritage crowd would stick to the stars and bars...it's just a symbol from the Civil War, and no one ever used it for hateful purposes during the civil rights struggle.
 

sandybanks

Beach Fanatic
Mar 15, 2008
264
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In a nice place
That's just a whole boat load of stupid (the song, not you). I give you the one quote from that song that bothered me the most:



Which in my opinion would most likely be attributed to the line in the declaration:



This is the fundamental purpose of the declaration of independence and without it the "South" would most likely be under Spanish or French control.

Finally what bothers me most is the on going division of the North and South. I was born in the South and consider myself a Southerner. That makes me no better than a Northerner. My blood is from the North and the South. Most folks' are. Can't we just get to a point in history that we can leave certain things in the history books and move on? Seriously folks the last confederate soldier died, what, 50 some odd years ago?

This is my flag and I am proud of it (luckily I can purchase this on almost any specialty Florida tag).

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That's good to know because I am from up north.:welcome:

Ohio

YouTube - John Wayne "America Why I Love Her"
 
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NoHall

hmmmm......can't remember
May 28, 2007
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Northern Hall County, GA
We had quite a war in the last few years over the Georgia state flag, and a lot of people were angry with the outcome. Personally, it fell out the way I hoped it would.

When civil rights heated up in the late 50's, Georgia adopted a new flag.
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It included an exact representation of the square confederate battle flag. This was obviously the flag that stirred up so much racial animosity. This flag has been used over and over since then to stir up hatred and bigotry.
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In 2001, the flag was changed because of the controversy which has been hashed out on this thread and others. I for one agree that the old flag had to go. The confederate battle flag is the redneck banner of white supremacy, and has no place in a civilized society. Unfortunately, the new flag was an artistic monstrosity (it made the big blue signs look good):
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In addition to the inherent ugliness of the flag, many Georgians believed that their Confederate Heritage had been reduced to a footnote. There are a lot of good people in the state of Georgia who are not bigoted and hateful. They believe in a better life for all residents, and believe that the South has always had citizens who held to those ideals. I am one of those citizens who believes that if we do not learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it. I don't want the symbol of my state to ignore our history.

So I was proud of our new flag, adopted in 2003.
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It was a copy of this earlier flag,
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The first National Flag of the Confederacy. It was not used as a symbol of hatred or bigotry, but one of independence and pride flown by people who believed that if freedom was not given under a united government, then freedom should be fought for to maintain the life that had been established.

So I'm deeply offended by that song that hates the Declaration of Independence, because many of the confederates who died believed deeply in that declaration. And this Georgia Girl still believes that slavery was not the issue--states' rights was the issue, and slavery fell into that category. I thank God slavery was abolished, but the more I study U.S. history, the more I believe that it could have ended more peacefully than it did if the shots were never fired at Ft. Sumter...
 
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scooterbug44

SoWal Expert
May 8, 2007
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I can understand and respect that the flag has a rich heritage and history to those who grew up in the South and whose relatives fought in the war, but I have never known it as a symbol of anything but hatred and racism.

Its meaning/symbolism has been irrevocably changed and it is highly offensive to see it displayed.
 

NoHall

hmmmm......can't remember
May 28, 2007
9,032
996
Northern Hall County, GA
I can understand and respect that the flag has a rich heritage and history to those who grew up in the South and whose relatives fought in the war, but I have never known it as a symbol of anything but hatred and racism.

Its meaning/symbolism has been irrevocably changed and it is highly offensive to see it displayed.

Let me be clear: I agree with you on that. You'll never, ever see the confederate battle flag flying anywhere around me. I just realized I wasn't emphatic enough about that in my post above, and I'm about to go edit it in.

I don't like that the state flag in Georgia seems to have been nothing more than a promotion of hate and racism, using the battle flag. I was glad to see the 1956 flag go...
 

InletBchDweller

SoWal Insider
Feb 14, 2006
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That is just gross! Okay, maybe some guys would like the video...that would be a completely different forum than Sowal. Get OVER it, Tootsie wouldn't be caught DEAD in a mud pit rumbling with the likes of you or anyone else. Sorry....this just ticked me OFF!:angry:
well, actually I have not rumbled with Tootsie in a mud pit but on the sandy shores of Grayton....:rotfl::rotfl:

I :love: that song! :clap: I sunbathed on those rocks in the middle of the Chattahoochee as a teenager! Thanks for the sweet reminder, Rapunzel. :cool: :love:
Here's another grayt one! Ain't nobody lookin' back again! Do you like this song?

:wave:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nNkFUIoSMs&feature=related


AWESOME ROCKING SONG SCK!!! LOVE IT!!!:love::love::love:
 
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