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mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Typically what beachfront owners care about is their property.

At our complexes, we have had people knock down our small signs, occupy our umbrella setups, move umbrella setups, place their canopies in front of our beach umbrella setups (against the Walton County ordinance), have no regard for small children in the area, and leave cans and trash as a regular part of their day. And as responsible property owners, we clean up after them.

It's not everyone that does this, but enough to cause an issue of safety and security. When you are not in control of your property, you are not in control of the situations that arise.

And the beachfront owners still have 100% of the LIABILITY if someone is injured on their property. Every good citizen should recognize, understand and assist with that issue. But the entitlement mentality will not allow that to process.

Again, this is an issue for the WCC to address and make right.

I have asked them why they do not put a trolley system in place in Grayton Beach to ferry people to the State Park there if the parking is full at the park. NO answer other than "we could look into that". And nothing happens.

Two very easy steps can be taken to make sensible people happy:

- Walton County (and/or a large group of open beach supporters) buys more beachfront property for access. That's putting your money where your mouth is.

- Everyone respects the rights of private property owners.

American as it gets.
I do not see the merit in your arguments.

BFO's care about their "property". Do you care about "people" as in a family just wanting to enjoy the beach?

People knock down your signs. Try not putting up signs.

Trash on the beach. Mother nature probably considers building a house on a sand dune as trash but we all must have homes right?

You want control. I get it. Makes perfect sense. Exclusive control...

Liability. Where is the data for your risk?

We have a trolley system.

Walton County has bought and is buying beach access.

You will only be happy with exclusive use. I get it. It is pretty obvious.

I don't buy that exclusive use of a limited natural resource is "American as it gets"...
 
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BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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Jun 20, 2005
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I realize that wealthy powerful people impress you and everyone else is less than.
Just stinking pathetic. Always trying to put words in my mouth with simpleton words. And never admitting to crazy and mean spirited things you say after you say them. Just more smoke being blown up everyone's rears. And there's so much, I can't even breath.

Based on the way you converse with me now and in the past, your idea of exchanging ideas leaves a lot to be desired from a "goodness and humanity" standpoint.


Back on topic....
I suggested property tax reduction in exchange for beach use a few posts ago.
Then you reply:
No I would not agree to elimination of your property taxes. I would be for reducing your property tax for that portion of the beach that is being taxed with conditions that you are not allowed to put up signs or fences. Beach behavior should have conditions yes just as your behavior...

Un freaking believable, but nice try. At least you're discussing a possible compromise. The value of the usage of private beach by the public has absolutely nothing to do with what the entire property is being taxed at. So a year's worth of beach usage by the public, IMHO, is worth far more than a year's property tax. But you're getting a little greedy based on your rationalization of the value of private beach property rental. You're still wanting something for next to nothing. With lost tourism and the value of beach front property I can guarantee the "rental" value is much higher.

Let's put it in very simple terms based on your logic. If you have a house for rent and I was interested, I shouldn't have to pay you any more to rent it for a year than what the property tax is. That sounds like a great deal to me. I'll take it!
 

mputnal

Beach Fanatic
Nov 10, 2009
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Just stinking pathetic. Always trying to put words in my mouth with simpleton words. And never admitting to crazy and mean spirited things you say after you say them. Just more smoke being blown up everyone's rears. And there's so much, I can't even breath.

Based on the way you converse with me now and in the past, your idea of exchanging ideas leaves a lot to be desired from a "goodness and humanity" standpoint.


Back on topic....
I suggested property tax reduction in exchange for beach use a few posts ago.
Then you reply:
No I would not agree to elimination of your property taxes. I would be for reducing your property tax for that portion of the beach that is being taxed with conditions that you are not allowed to put up signs or fences. Beach behavior should have conditions yes just as your behavior...

Un freaking believable, but nice try. At least you're discussing a possible compromise. The value of the usage of private beach by the public has absolutely nothing to do with what the entire property is being taxed at. So a year's worth of beach usage by the public, IMHO, is worth far more than a year's property tax. But you're getting a little greedy based on your rationalization of the value of private beach property rental. You're still wanting something for next to nothing. With lost tourism and the value of beach front property I can guarantee the "rental" value is much higher.

Let's put it in very simple terms based on your logic. If you have a house for rent and I was interested, I shouldn't have to pay you any more to rent it for a year than what the property tax is. That sounds like a great deal to me. I'll take it!
I just read your post. You complain a lot. You complain about people. You complain about taxes. You complain about the county. You complain about me. You complain about DR. I could go on but what is the point. Really what is the point? You will never be satisfied with any sort of compromise. You will always want more. The county know this. You know this. I changed my mind about reducing your taxes. It would not help anything...
 

BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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Jun 20, 2005
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My only real beef with you (besides the fact you can't carry a logical thought to its conclusion) and others like you, is that you want something for nothing, same as the county.

It ain't gonna happen, no matter how loud you (and DR) scream on social media.

Instead of discussing the REAL value of sandy beach, you renege on the idea of compromise because you can't handle the truth (beach value). And then you blow more smoke by attacking me, yet again.

I've stomached enough of your "everybody should give up everthing for humanity" BS. Sounds good until it's your property. BTW, I can easily absorb all your juvenile persobal attacks on my character after my defending private property rights on SOWAL for over 15 years. Keep at it, Mr. Humanity.

It certainly appears more and more that your posts are generated by an AI chat bot trained on the goodness of humanity but has no training input on private property rights.

Back to life.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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My only real beef with you (besides the fact you can't carry a logical thought to its conclusion) and others like you, is that you want something for nothing, same as the county.

It ain't gonna happen, no matter how loud you (and DR) scream on social media.

Instead of discussing the REAL value of sandy beach, you renege on the idea of compromise because you can't handle the truth (beach value). And then you blow more smoke by attacking me, yet again.

I've stomached enough of your "everybody should give up everthing for humanity" BS. Sounds good until it's your property. BTW, I can easily absorb all your juvenile persobal attacks on my character after my defending private property rights on SOWAL for over 15 years. Keep at it, Mr. Humanity.

It certainly appears more and more that your posts are generated by an AI chat bot trained on the goodness of humanity but has no training input on private property rights.

Back to life.
You should listen to your own words. Who really is the one who wants something for nothing and then still not satisfied. Did you buy your home on the beach with earned income or did you inherit it? I built my home with earned income. You do not know me at all. The people going to the beach have families. Do you have children? If you do you should know that it takes earned income to raise a family. You must be caught up in the propaganda going on right now about how people are just lazy and deadbeats. Stop watching Fox News is my advice if you want to see the whole picture. Same with most of all the media outlets. They will think for you. Talk to those people going to the beach. You might find something very different than your fear of "people wanting something for nothing". I get it. I hear the same things you do about how federal workers are dead beats. It is non sense. I hear the same thing you do about people who use federal programs and don't want to work. It is mostly non sense. Did you know that people like Elon can lose a billion dollars a day and still be the richest man in the world? Yet you see the problem with a family wanting to enjoy a beautiful natural resource. What about congress wanting something for nothing. Lifetime health insurance. Many have security and black limousines and drivers who have the car warmed up or cooled off so they do not have to shiver or sweat. They should be representing you and me but the all cater to something else entirely. You are living in a fantasy world of fear of all the wrong things. Open your eyes...

One of us attacks the character of the other and one of us believe that we are more alike than not. Read my post then read your posts. You are becoming unhinged and can't see the truth...
 
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Ron

Beach Lover
Jul 25, 2007
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During the most recent meeting of the Walton
County Board of County Commissioners (BCC), at the behest of BCC Vice Chair
Dan Curry, Interim County Attorney Clay Adkinson gave board members his legal
interpretation of House Bill 1622 regarding customary use of the beaches, which
was recently passed by the Florida Legislature.

Attorney Adkinson stated, “So, to directly answer your question, what happens on
day one after the governor signs this bill? The simple answer is, legally, nothing
changes on the Walton County beaches.”

Adkinson reminded everyone that the Walton County Customary Use case had
been scheduled for trial in the summer of 2023. Certain parts of the case were

settled while certain parts of the case were dismissed. However, certain parts of the
case were tried through summary judgment proceedings, with judgments entered in
January and February of 2024.

“The Legislature has repealed a prior bill that passed – but the Legislature does not
undo the legal significance of that case,” said Adkinson. “So, it’s very important to
recognize that this bill has a profound effect on any city or county in the state of
Florida for which customary use litigation has not already occurred. But for Walton
County, ours has,” he added. “And so, what happens on day one? Nothing.”

However, Adkinson noted that the bill does have immeasurable impact and opens
the door on what this board has already discussed was its ultimate intention – to
look at having as much of a uniform set of public use rights on our beaches as
possible.

“We broadly have that in Miramar Beach, from Topsail to the county line going to
Okaloosa. That’s because there’s an erosion control line (ECL) that was established
following a beach restoration or beach renourishment project,” said Adkinson.

“When that ECL was established by state law, all lands lying seaward of that ECL
inured to the state and the benefit of the public. That case has been litigated and
gone all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court from Walton County and Florida
Department of Environmental Protection (DEP). Walton County and Florida DEP
prevailed.”

In other words, the public has a right to be seaward of that ECL. Walton County
does not generally allow vending seaward of the ECL. Current vending permits
also prohibit such activity. If a vendor is acting to remove or block the public, just
in general, from land seaward of the ECL, they are out of bounds.
So, what did the bill do?

Attorney Adkinson stated that the bill recognized that Walton County has a
‘critically eroded’ shoreline. More importantly, the bill recognized that the state has
officially taken the position that it does not require the inclusion of a public
dedication or a public easement as part of any beach restoration project.

Adkinson further explained, “It’s very well-known that the county has over $60
million allocated from one of our beach renourishment (sales tax) pennies; there’s
over $60 million of federal funds allocated to match that for our hurricane storm
damage reduction plan. “

So, where are we now?
Adkinson explained that, because of prior direction from the board, “the county is
continuing to move forward on our hurricane storm damage reduction plan and all

beach restoration or renourishment opportunities, under the very simple concept
that if there is not a beach to use, because it goes away in a storm, there is
necessarily going to be no public use rights. But the more beach there is, especially
with an ECL, all those lands seaward create more public use rights,” he said.

“So, what this bill does for Walton County specifically, is creates a path for us to
work toward renourishment, restoration, and similar terms, that would establish an
ECL, hopefully from county line to county line, so that we can make use of those
federal monies before they expire,” he said, “and that we can do so without the
hurdles that previously blocked this type of project from happening back in 2016.”

Adkinson then answered questions about the establishment of a definitive ECL and
how both the public and law enforcement would be able to ascertain where the
ECL is without additional markers or signs.

“We did just go through a very detailed survey process and are actively uploading
that survey data ... Based on the new survey – because we have more data points –
such as where a boardwalk stops and we can now measure more footage, we can
dial that number in. The idea is, we want to shrink that (+/-) 15 feet (margin of
error) to get it almost as exact as possible,” he replied.

Adkinson went on to say, “That ECL was established well over a decade ago.
We’re getting back almost 20 years ago now. What we’re doing now by having
these data points on the surveys ... is the ECL that will be established as part of
any future project, is going to have a higher level of definition attached to it than
what was previous. A lot has changed in the last 17 or 18 years ... but once that
GIS data set is uploaded, I think its going to dial it in even tighter than Miramar
Beach and we’re going to have less margin of error.”

Adkinson concluded by saying, “This, for us, is not the first step in re-establishing
and restoring public use rights across more of our beaches – we have already taken
those first steps – but this is a huge assist from our legislative delegation in the
Florida Legislature to help us with that.”
 
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