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mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Inconvenient truths - that's why.

And don't forget Alys Beach, Rosemary Beach, Seaside, Watersound, Bella Vita, White Cliffs, and multitudes of other multi-unit gulf front HOAs.

I'm just an easy target for the wrath of the mob majority as I have been for many, many years, here, on SoWal. Through people like me, people like @mputnal try to impose their personal beliefs WITHOUT any factual or logical debate. It's just a worn out record that's played over and over without any real civil discourse... "greed", "humanity", etc. The real issues are never addressed because they truly don't have any facts supporting their "feelings". So they resort to personal attacks. It's simply juvenile.

I can't wait for @mputnal (or anyone else) to state his opinions on nourishment vs. eminent domain without a personal attack.
Boy, that's rich.

Do you have ANY constructive comments regarding beach nourishment vs. eminent domain?

Both achieve public beach.

I've simply expressed my opinion ON THE SUBJECT AT HAND.

Why do you continually and personally attack me instead of the issue at hand? But I guess this question just adds fuel to your personal bonfire.
I just call it as I see it. Obviously you fear "mob mentality". Where is that coming from? Where is the mob? Listen I ask you questions trying to understand why you are so angry and fearful. I ask you what is it that you really fear because there is no mob, there is no one trying to take something away from you and there is nothing mean about a family just wanted to go to the beach. You keep avoiding these questions. These are real issues. This is a real subject. Human issues. Everything you want to talk about seem to be personally motivated in terms of money. No I do not believe in giving you any money so NO to eminent domain. Yes to beach nourishment. I have lost a little faith in you in having a real conversation. You only want to talk about what is best for you. Trust me I wish I were wrong. I want you to prove to me I am wrong. You can't or won't. Your opinion is all that matters. You have to be right. You have built a bonfire of fear and anger and nothing is going to change that. You are the source of fuel for your fear and anger. Until you see this subject from a human perspective not personal greed then we will go back and forth forever. What is sad is that forever is not very long. If you are not able to read and understand that all I am saying to you is relax about public beaches. There are many more important things for you to worry about. Let it go. Breathe some fresh ocean air. You are going to be okay.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Since there are so many that struggle understanding, or accepting, the facts of beach front property owner's rights, maybe a basic example will help.

Let's say that currently the beaches are wide open to everyone in Walton County. No private beach property. But Walton County has a shortfall in funds to properly operate and support the needs of citizens in the county. So they decide that starting Jan 1, 2026, any Walton County beachfront property purchased will include the beach area to the MHWL as the private property of that buyer - now owner.

Where would the displeasure and anger be directed at that point? The people who purchased any of said properties? Or possibly the county administrators that made this decision? Who would be "blamed" for this happening?

Because that is exactly what happened 60+ years ago in Walton County.

And what kind of person do you have to be to blame and vilify those that purchased these properties?

I have found it interesting that so many have blamed the "rich beach front owners" which is actually a VERY small percentage of the BFO's. I don't read many comments about the Sandestin Hilton, Adagio, or the Watercolor Inn as being "greedy" BFO's. Why is that?

Maybe the people who refuse to accept facts like these would be happier in Seattle or possibly NYC when they both come under local government rule.
Yes you are to blame for this. You built on a sand dune. You put up signs and fences. You call law enforcement to remove tax paying families from the beach. All you had to do is share the beach with a family for a few hours. You are not a victim of anything. You do not lose anything. You blame and blame everyone but you. I ask why? You answer with property rights. I say you do not own the beach. You cry and then blame so more. This is all pretty simple actually. Either you understand that humanity is not just you or you don't. That is the only fact that matters in the end...
 

BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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Jun 20, 2005
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Honestly, is this autonomous AI posting gone awry?

Probably not. AI would at least use paragraphs to separate sections of logical thought.

Ooops... that explains it!
 

mputnal

Beach Fanatic
Nov 10, 2009
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Honestly, is this autonomous AI posting gone awry?

Probably not. AI would at least use paragraphs to separate sections of logical thought.

Ooops... that explains it!
Honestly, I am a real human being who uses my own name. You are so wrong about so many things that you have to use a fake name. You are scared to use your real name because every time you respond to my post or anyone who disagrees with you, you attack me/them personally. It does not bother me. Real human beings who are trying to have a conversation usually have a train of thought. I do not expect that you care enough to actually read my post so I am unconcerned that you complain about little things like paragraphs. You only represent yourself and use a fake name. I am pretty sure most other BFO's are embarrassed. If you are going to attack someone personally why do you not own it with posting your real name? You do not have anything other than your dignity to be worried about. I try to speak truth to what really matters in life. You can't handle the truth. Private property rights is your only truth? You obviously have followed the wrong path in life if you believe you own the beach. I believe you let it slip that you inherited your property. If that is true you did not earn it. In addition you complain about having to pay taxes. You do not stop there because now you want eminent domain money. Yet you need to call a family going to the beach wanting something for nothing...
 

BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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Jun 20, 2005
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You do not stop there because now you want eminent domain money.
FINALLY, a stand on eminent domain vs. nourishment. What if I told you I probably would not be one of the eminent domain parcels because of the lack of close proximity to public access.

You obviously don't want ANYBODY to receive compensation because you have declared private property isn't private, even after the county pissed away many millions of dollars on customary resulting in an affirmation that it is.

Good luck with your blathering attempts to convince thousands of owners that they are "bad greedy people". When in fact, you are the evil and mean spirited one who incessantly paints such a NEGATIVE light on many of your fellow citizens for owning private property that many people, such as yourself, feel entitled to.

If I was on the fence at all about opening up the beach (which I was at one time with a couple of compromises I threw out BEFORE customary use), I can assure you that I will now fight tooth and nail to defend what WE own.

So all your ridiculous, long winded, holier than thou posts have completely jaded me. And I thank you for that. It feels good to take a hard stand in something one believes in.

So screw eminent domain and beach nourishment without private property owners' permission. We'll see how this plays out.

Now go out and sell some pinestraw. You know, the stuff God made. Oh wait, shouldn't it belong to everyone for free, that being the case?

Have the last word between us.
 

Jenksy

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Oct 25, 2012
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Now go out and sell some pinestraw. You know, the stuff God made. Oh wait, shouldn't it belong to everyone for free, that being the case?
God don’t maintain, grow, collect, ship, store, etc. but keep trying to justify your behavior and denigrate others. You make beachfront owners stinky.

I would be happy to spend tax money for beach deeds. Around $100 per foot sounds about right. A lot more than it was worth when the deeds were stupidly made.
 

SUP View

Beach Lover
Jul 22, 2019
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God don’t maintain, grow, collect, ship, store, etc. but keep trying to justify your behavior and denigrate others. You make beachfront owners stinky.

I would be happy to spend tax money for beach deeds. Around $100 per foot sounds about right. A lot more than it was worth when the deeds were stupidly mad

I appreciate that you noted that the deeds were provided by Walton County. It has been surprising, I guess, that so many people don't know or won't believe that is fact. And this was done a long time ago.

And there are some that continue to traffic in the low-hanging fruit of "greedy, rich BFO's", and that has grown tiresome. The vast majority of BFO's own small 1 - 3 bedroom units that they have invested in for family and future. Really good people that take care of the beach, invest in fencing to improve vegetation, and respect the surroundings of all.

At some point, everyone will acknowledge that the ultimate goal of wide open beaches is for the benefit and profit of developers and the additional tax monies going to Defuniak Springs with expansion. Likely result of that is major traffic, congestion, and an overrun area.

Not what 30A is about for sure.
 

BlueMtnBeachVagrant

Beach Fanatic
Jun 20, 2005
1,376
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God don’t maintain, grow, collect, ship, store, etc. but keep trying to justify your behavior and denigrate others.
Then he should just simply open his land to the public and let them collect all the pine straw they want. Heck, let the public cut down and just take the pine trees. They grow themselves with help from above. BTW, you never seem to have an issue when @mputnal "denigrated" me more than just a few times. Very hypocritical.

You make beachfront owners stinky.
I'm now experiencing major "ENTITLED non-beach front owners" fatigue. Nothing changes much except for the words used in name calling. And even that is getting to be very much boringly repetitive. Oh yeah, it looks like you're joining in this "denigration" party. Welcome!

I would be happy to spend tax money for beach deeds. Around $100 per foot sounds about right. A lot more than it was worth when the deeds were stupidly made.
Ditto to @SUP View comment. At least you're admitting there's a deed. And you're acknowledging by the comment, "...when the deeds were stupidly made", that the issue was created by those in government at the time, long before current owners took possession with all the private property rights that are associated with that deed.

"Around $100 per foot sounds about right." Heck, I nominate you for property appraiser!!
 
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mputnal

Beach Fanatic
Nov 10, 2009
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FINALLY, a stand on eminent domain vs. nourishment. What if I told you I probably would not be one of the eminent domain parcels because of the lack of close proximity to public access.

You obviously don't want ANYBODY to receive compensation because you have declared private property isn't private, even after the county pissed away many millions of dollars on customary resulting in an affirmation that it is.

Good luck with your blathering attempts to convince thousands of owners that they are "bad greedy people". When in fact, you are the evil and mean spirited one who incessantly paints such a NEGATIVE light on many of your fellow citizens for owning private property that many people, such as yourself, feel entitled to.

If I was on the fence at all about opening up the beach (which I was at one time with a couple of compromises I threw out BEFORE customary use), I can assure you that I will now fight tooth and nail to defend what WE own.

So all your ridiculous, long winded, holier than thou posts have completely jaded me. And I thank you for that. It feels good to take a hard stand in something one believes in.

So screw eminent domain and beach nourishment without private property owners' permission. We'll see how this plays out.

Now go out and sell some pinestraw. You know, the stuff God made. Oh wait, shouldn't it belong to everyone for free, that being the case?

Have the last word between us.
I expected this from you. I had hoped for something better but you just don't have it in you. You accuse others of wanting something for nothing when it is really you wanting something for nothing. You think you speak for all the BFO's but you don't. Be accountable for you. You accuse others of attacking you when you are the one attacking others then you hide behind a fake name. I can take your attack on me or my business so feel free to take the gloves off but be accountable for you. You are what you are. Your ranting attacks on people who disagree with you tell the whole story of your purpose in life. Good luck with your fighting until the very end to keep good people off the beach...
 
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