Public vs Private Beach [threads merged]

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by SoWal Staff, Feb 29, 2016.

  1. John G

    John G Beach Fanatic

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    My posts are based in fact. Sheriff Mike has a very basic problem, called selective enforcement. Nothing more nothing less.

    Show me where I've ever personally attacked him. Not gonna find it, but there could be room for that, not my style.

    As for my raft, its not full of Haitians, it's actually more like a cruise boat with lots of people paying to come on board.

    I've invited u to join the cause against Beach Vendors, do you accept?

    Seems like some very basic common ground we can all stand for.

    Or are you going to continue to defend the selective enforcement of this administration? He's now gone through how many Majors?
     
  2. Dawn

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    Someone told me yesterday that Walton County was going to ban tents and it didn't surprise me. To many left overnight or abandoned completely.

    We should also ban the giant flags while. We ate at it. And what not limit signs to a square foot or so until private very public issue is settled. And no ropes or chains.
     
  3. Misty

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    I have not defended the Adkinson Administration...actually, the Sheriff does that quite succinctly without any help from me. He is running for re-election UNOPPOSED! You wanna know what I love about his campaign aside from the fact he is running UNOPPOSED? You won't see his campaign SIGNS cluttering SoWal or anywhere else in the county for that matter because he hasn't used any! That's ENVIRONMENTALLY friendly and doesn't alienate the people he wants on his side of any given issue.

    Don't know about the Majors and I know even less about what that has to do with who owns the sand on our beaches but it's soooooooo typical of you to bring up something that has nothing to do with this thread in yet another attempt to derail the conversation,

    As for the vendor issue, I do agree the umbrella and unused chair set-ups are grotesque and unsightly and I hate the site of beautiful images of our coastline dotted with blue umbrellas which I think takes away from the breathtakingly beautiful images of our beaches. It's just my opinion and I don't know this for a fact but I think the reason Panama City Beach was so successful in moving vendors back 20 ' from the wet sand is probably because they don't have a County Commissioner on their board with a vested interest (C. Jones & son) in keeping things just the way they are. I do want to wish everyone who jumps aboard your dinghy the best though. I have been on the receiving end of the Jones wrath once before and honestly, I'm just ornery enough to punch someone in the face if it happened again or maybe just older and wiser about my rights and personal space but in any case, I'd need an attorney and bail money. I sorta kinda pride myself on never having seen the inside of the new Walton County Jail and only saw the booking station at the old one...under my own volition.
     
  4. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    I don't think our beaches should be open for business with vending. We've seen what it looks like, that it's out of control and it's completely changed the look and feel of your experience on the beach. And not in a good way.
     
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  5. Dave Rauschkolb

    Dave Rauschkolb Beach Fanatic

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    When going to the beach it is important to avoid conflict with the few beach front homeowners who actually might verbally attack you for exercising your right to the customary use of the beach. They have nothing if we ALL remain resolute and immune to their attempts to anger us. Smile at them, be polite and perhaps tell them to "have a nice day." Say it, show it and mean it without condescension "It's a beautiful day for the beach" It is important to avoid dispute and show customary use according to Tona Rama vs Daytona beach Supreme court decision.

    "If the recreational use of the sandy area adjacent to mean high tide has been ancient, reasonable, without interruption and free from dispute, such use, as a matter of custom, should not be interfered with by the owner. However, the owner may make any use of his property which is consistent with such public use and not calculated to interfere with the exercise of the right of the public to enjoy the dry sand area as a recreational adjunct of the wet sand or foreshore area." 13308440_10209764045966764_8173188535764752922_o.jpg
     
  6. justhavinfun

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    Yesterday I had the experience of being told the spot we picked for our beach chairs was on "Private Property". This at the Eastern Lake Beach area so you can draw your own conclusions where we were. I looked the gent straight in the eyes and said "Fine" and I will move to the high water line mark which was roughly 5 feet away ! I had a good friend with me and elected not to ask for any documentation or where his signs were. Pleasant enough exchange between both parties but 5 feet away? INSANE!! Not sure I would have handled this in the same manner if it were just the wife and I....
     
  7. LarsAtTheBeach

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    I agree.
    Look what happened to crab island in Destin once "services" were allowed.
     
  8. sunspotbaby

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    I had some relatives come down and they stayed in Sandestin. Don't even TRY to see the beach there. It is UNREAL with the chair set ups. And it's 60.00 per day. 30.00 for the chairs and 30.00 for the umbrella. lol! Kind of wish I had jumped on the beach chair business wagon years ago. ; )
     
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  9. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    This photo was posted by a turtle watch volunteer yesterday. Fencing, pvc pipes and rope all along several beach front homes and condos. Why isn't the county removing these immediately?

    Follow South Walton Turtle Watch on Facebook. They see it all.

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  10. Kurt Lischka

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    http://sowal.com/webcam/sandestin-beachcam

    Some people love to be in the middle of the action.
     
  11. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    Beach chair and umbrella setups belong at resorts and big condos. If you love to walk out and rent your space and enjoy lots of other people doing the same then go there. It's a long time beach tradition that many enjoy and expect..

    You can also find crazy crowds at many other non resort beaches. Only problem is the setups have become common practice at these public places too. Crazy. Harder to find a nice, quiet spot where you can just enjoy the beach on your own little chair or towel.

    Our state parks are going to be more important to us than ever.
     
  12. steel1man

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    Vendors part of the problem...YES
    Home owners signing away a right they don't legally have ( claiming to the wet sand) to these vendors who don't have the vacant seat law to deal with..YES..
    Really don't understand home owners who mostly are not here and Can't rent out houses wanting 20 umbrellas in their back yard..
    Visit BMB public access to see this western fiasco.if you can find a parking space...lol
     
  13. Misty

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    Teresa,

    The land development code for Walton County specifically addresses lighting in regard to protecting/establishing a conservation zone to protect sea turtles nesting sites but makes no mention what-so-ever about obstructions (fences, ropes, chains, pvc and/or other articles) used by "alleged" property owners in regard to items placed on the beach which could impede the safety zone and protection of sea turtles. (Maybe this is part of the problem?)
    See : http://www.co.walton.fl.us/DocumentCenter/Home/View/694

    State Statues aren't much better.
    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
     
  14. Misty

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    P.S. "Leave no Trace" is monitored by Code Enforcement which most here agree is pretty lax.
    "It shall be unlawful for items generally used for swimming, sunbathing, or beach recreation to remain on the beach between one (1) hour after dusk and one (1) hour after sunrise, except otherwise permitted in this ordinance. As used in this section, the phrase “generally used for swimming, sunbathing, or beach recreation“ shall include, but not be limited to, beach chairs, umbrellas, tents (including tent frames), hammocks, volleyball nets, picnic tables and tiki huts."
     
  15. steel1man

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    Also says nothing left on the beach over night.....they should ALL be cleaned up each night..that's not going to happen..Deputy Fiffe and cohorts to scared to enforce.heck then don't even pick up Vendor chairs stored in the Snakey dunes
     
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    I agree code enforcement is BS but I think the language of the codes is more the problem because it doesn't address fencing.
     
  17. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    I suppose fencing and ropes are new endeavors which are going to have to be addressed immediately. I do hope. This is not a good look, is dangerous, interferes with sea turtles and is just a mean thing to do.
     
  18. John G

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    In addition to the reasons you cite, clearly defining ones alleged property boarder(S), is also part of the SOP. You forgot that one...
     
  19. sunspotbaby

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    Ha! I'm watching Sandestin chair rats scurry onto the beach now.
     
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  20. Dave Rauschkolb

    Dave Rauschkolb Beach Fanatic

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    "A band of brigands who believe it’s up to them to decide what is legal and what is not."

    I just had to look it up. Oh brother. Screen Shot 2016-05-31 at 9.12.55 AM.jpg
     

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