I believe that extremism on both sides has turned to hatred. What would be better for America is less political hatred, 3 or more political parties and more awareness of our human flaws. Somehow we have allowed a two party system to dictate right and wrong which allows us to justify all sorts of bad behavior. If you can't see the hatred on both sides then your eyes are closed and there is nothing I can say that will open them.
Remove the Confederate Monument and flag from the Walton County Courthouse
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This thread has blown up much more than it needs to.
Take the flag down if you must. The memorial did not have a flag attached to it until the early 1960s.
The memorial, however, is a totally different story. I have many friends whose ancestors names are on the monument. I have also met people whose grandfathers or great-grandfathers returned from the war to find their homes burned and their wives and children dead. Many people had slaves, just as many locally did not but protecting their homes and families required them to join forces with the Confederacy. Leave the monument alone.
It was an ugly time, and we are close to that again. Let us not repeat it. And don't forget our efforts are better spent combating the slavery that exists today. Human trafficking is very real in our own communities.
Take the flag down if you must. The memorial did not have a flag attached to it until the early 1960s.
The memorial, however, is a totally different story. I have many friends whose ancestors names are on the monument. I have also met people whose grandfathers or great-grandfathers returned from the war to find their homes burned and their wives and children dead. Many people had slaves, just as many locally did not but protecting their homes and families required them to join forces with the Confederacy. Leave the monument alone.
It was an ugly time, and we are close to that again. Let us not repeat it. And don't forget our efforts are better spent combating the slavery that exists today. Human trafficking is very real in our own communities.
If I follow your logic then those human traffickers deserve a monument too? Here's a flag to fly over it:
The monument was placed originally at the Courthouse in Eucheeanna by the Daughters of the Confederacy and moved to DeFuniak when the Courthouse did. If Daughters of Epstein put up a monument, we could deal with it when it first happens, not when it becomes a piece of local history.
BTW, you do know that most of Point Washington was owned by a Brigadier General of the CSA, whose troops saved Tallahassee from falling into Union hands at the Battle of Natural Bridge? He donated the land for both churches, the cemetery, and the original school. Possibly Bay Elementary too, as back in the day Bay Elementary's sulphur water still came from the well for the old school. in the early 1900's he dropped dead in his front yard, in front of the teenager that would become my grandmother. His homestead is commemorated on my cousin's lot. Should everyone move out of Point Washington?
General Miller had a hand in Grayton Beach as well. Tear everything down and vacate it.
BTW, you do know that most of Point Washington was owned by a Brigadier General of the CSA, whose troops saved Tallahassee from falling into Union hands at the Battle of Natural Bridge? He donated the land for both churches, the cemetery, and the original school. Possibly Bay Elementary too, as back in the day Bay Elementary's sulphur water still came from the well for the old school. in the early 1900's he dropped dead in his front yard, in front of the teenager that would become my grandmother. His homestead is commemorated on my cousin's lot. Should everyone move out of Point Washington?
General Miller had a hand in Grayton Beach as well. Tear everything down and vacate it.
I'll leave you to your whataboutism.
The original issue was the Flag. Several people who were for removing the flag swore up and down that the only issue was the flag, that there was no problem with the monument. Now, certain people (I know who they are and will argue to their face) want to take the monument as well. That is the issue.
No one wants to take anything, we want to move a monument to a hostile country off of our public grounds.
This seems dumb both ways. If one needs trinkets to appreciate history I’d surmise one doesn’t really appreciate or understand the history in the first place.
Places and times are just that and you can’t just pretend it didn’t happy or try to cancel events that are decades or centuries removed from context. America still idolizes Babe Ruth. A fat white guy who played in a league that wouldn’t allow 85% of the best players currently playing professional baseball. Who’s peers were other guys who’s physical fitness is likely inferior to most of todays high school teams. And this guy is consensus regarded as one of the best ballplayers ever!
So I appreciate the significance of Babe Ruth just the same as I appreciate the events that caused America to evolve into what it is today. The pre War Deep South did shape a lot of what’s made America good and it also had a hand in some pretty wretched stuff. I’ll leave the misplaced passion, rage and protests for others as to wage war over.
Places and times are just that and you can’t just pretend it didn’t happy or try to cancel events that are decades or centuries removed from context. America still idolizes Babe Ruth. A fat white guy who played in a league that wouldn’t allow 85% of the best players currently playing professional baseball. Who’s peers were other guys who’s physical fitness is likely inferior to most of todays high school teams. And this guy is consensus regarded as one of the best ballplayers ever!
So I appreciate the significance of Babe Ruth just the same as I appreciate the events that caused America to evolve into what it is today. The pre War Deep South did shape a lot of what’s made America good and it also had a hand in some pretty wretched stuff. I’ll leave the misplaced passion, rage and protests for others as to wage war over.
I am "DownSouth" and I agree. We seem to over react too much and let our emotions get all out of whack to the point where we say things that will eventually back fire. Let history be a reminder of how far we have come. Have we come far enough? Probably not but we were going in the right direction for a long time. I do think we have to be honest and say that we have all become more politically charged and that we need to think before we speak. The name calling has gotten out of hand. The anger we feel when we disagree with an issue is taking us down a path that will not be good for anyone. I am from the South and I hear negative sentiments all the time from people who do NOT know much about the history of the Civil War or War Between the States or the orgins of slavery. They do know a lot about anger, blame and hatred. Most of us are hippocrites so relax a little otherwise go learn something you do not know as much as you think you do
