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Rosemary Thymes Beach Access Article

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Here is the (in)famous article from the Fall 2007 Rosemary Thymes
EXTRA SECURITY HIRED FOR BEACH AND BEACH WALKOVERS

"Just too many people" is the refrain that has been heard all over south walton this summer as large numbers of visitiors clogged roads and crowded beaches.

In Rosemary Beach the problem is particularly acute at at the West Water Street access on the town's west side. after hearing complaints from homeowners, town manager Jim Bagby decided to find out just how many are too many.

A revealing count was taken on Memorial Day Weekend. On Saturday and Sunday, the 134 and 154 peaple, respectively, were turned away from W. Water Street. On Monday, when many visitors had already left, 80 people were still turned away in a five hour time period.

"We are trying to balance being good neighbors with the homeowners' rights," Bagby said. "After spending over $2 million on rebuilding walkovers and buying sand and sea oats the homeowners should not have to fight for space on the beach," he said.

"Our position is that our beach is a private beach but we want to be a welcoming, vibrant town, the center of activity in southeast Walton County. The challenge is to balance the two."

On September 10, the Rosemary Beach board of directors voted to hire security to enforce the privacy of the beach and the beach walkovers.

"We will be sending letters to remind our neighbors," Bagby said, "that the beach walkovers and the beach are private. To avoid embarrassment or calls from angry renters, they need to let them know where the public beach access and the Seacrest access are located."

No one was available for comment from the Seacrest Beach community, Rosemary's nearest neighbor to W. Water Street. However, according to their website and to local vacation rental agents the sole b each access available to Seacrest Beach owners and guests is an easement through the Sunset Beach community, a gated development on the south side of 30-A.

A tram service currently operates in Seacrest Beach Memorial Day through Labor Day, or guests may walk through Sunset Beach but bicycles, scooters, golf carts, and other wheeled traffic is not permitted making the access incovenient for many.

"We have abandoned that access," said a Seacrest Beach couple using the W. Water Street access one day last week, explaining that even though Sunset Beach is their designated legal access they don't feel welcome there.

The couple (who wish to remain anonymous) also said they were told by their realtor when purchasing in Seacrest Beach that they had the use of the W. Water Street access.

"Rosemary Beach wants us to use their shops and restaurants, but not their beaches," they said.

Their comments echo sentiments heard locally as more and more beachfront owners are taking action to protect their property.

A lively debate took place on an area internet message board (www.sowal.com/bb) over the summer following the July trespassing arrest of an unauthorized guest on a privately owned beach in Blue Mountain. A range of views were expressed, some echoing the Seacrest Beach couple, others defending private ownership of beaches, and still others expressing moderation and attempting a balancing act between competing interests.

At the end of the day, many sought legal guidance from the courts as needed, but for now, Rosemary Beach homeowners must seek their own solutions. "Public beaches are not the law in this part of Florida right now," Bagby explained. Currently, there is little dispute that the public does have the right to use the wet sand portion of the beaches. It is that line in the sand between the wet and the dry that is generally taken as the dividing line between public and private.

The Walton County TDC acknowledged this in a press release which stated the following: "Most public beach accesses are nestled between private properties. Beach goers should stay within the easement of the dune walkover to set up on the dry beach. Along 30-A, beachgoers who wish to have beach set-ups outside of these areas must be on the wet sand."

While there are no public beach access between Rosemary Beach and Alys Beach (the location of Seacrest), the county's largest beach access, Inlet Beach, is located east of Rosemary Beach. With 13 acres of preserved beach and dune and a parking spot is usually easy to find.

So, what does everybody think about this?;-)

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scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#52
On the other hand, I love how Seaside seems to be the only real beach resort community that opens its town to all. But, they don't have a "seacrest" next door that uses and abuses its amenities and walkovers. We are all pretty much welcome there. And I do appreciate Seaside for that.

The Seaside welcome has also gone by the wayside with the new management company. They have posted all of their walkovers private and also put signs on the beach!

I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to keep pools, parking spaces, cabanas, stairs, basically anything THEY have built private. My problem is with them running folks off the sand that predates both them and their developments. :angry:
Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#53
The Seaside welcome has also gone by the wayside with the new management company. They have posted all of their walkovers private and also put signs on the beach!

I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to keep pools, parking spaces, cabanas, stairs, basically anything THEY have built private. My problem is with them running folks off the sand that predates both them and their developments. :angry:

well, Seaside has always had signs. But, we have always participated in the town in almost every way, and we've always been welcome.

I do agree with you about the sand. we don't have free access to the beach walkovers. but the beaches are another story. but, without the walkover, such as in Rosemary, the beach would not be overrun by nearby neighborhoods.

Seacrest residents need not help themselves to walkovers in other resort communities. period.
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#54
Beachcoma,

I live here full-time (and have for years & years)--life in our little group of beachtowns was freewheeling and fun for most of that time. I can't believe how fast things began to change during the RE frenzy. First we had an increase in traffic; then I noticed more and more trash during my walks (and picking up) on the beach; then condos & subdivisions sprang up everywhere; then plastic junk, chairs and tents were left all over the beach overnight; and now this summer they started in with all the "private beach" signs and they even arrested a guy for sitting on dry sand in the "wrong place."

Watching how things are developing around here, I think it makes a helluvalot of financial sense to just rent for the couple of months each year you want to stay on the beach. My advice to you is to come here, spend your money and enjoy your vacation without having to put up with all the drama and politics of being a homeower.


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BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#55
How in the hell did I miss this thread???

Jim Bagby......"town manager" of Rosemary Beach.

Hmmmmmm.......

He now has to "enforce" the rights of the RMB property owners by making sure the Seacrest folks (and others) don't trespass....all this due to the "overcrowding" of the beach in their area.

What a real twist of events in less than one year!

Can anyone guess why? (hint: RFV).
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dsilvar avatar
Beach Fanatic
#56
.. they started in with all the "private beach" signs and they even arrested a guy for sitting on dry sand in the "wrong place."
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Shel,
I guess I just don't get it. Sorry to be stupid.
A beachside lot in Florida has a legal description, ya?
The seaside boundary is legally described to be to the ECL ...in most(?) cases.?
Where the hell is the problem..I won't walk north of the ECL and you (beach lot owner) don't bother me south of there. QED....:idontno: ?
Capricious avatar
Beach Fanatic
#57
"Watching how things are developing around here, I think it makes a helluvalot of financial sense to just rent for the couple of months each year you want to stay on the beach. My advice to you is to come here, spend your money and enjoy your vacation without having to put up with all the drama and politics of being a homeower..."




Not to mention those watery-blowy things called Hurricanes.

Makes me want to stick to lake property,
ameliaj avatar
Beach Fanatic
#58
Gosh, until I began reading this thread I didn't know that by my small ownership in Seacrest that I was considered riffraff. Live and learn. I'm sorry that there are those people in the world who consider it their right to take advantage of other people's property, but I feel rather insulted to be lumped in with that crowd. I personally have never used one of Rosemary's walkovers. It is way, way, too inconvenient. I have, however, walked up the beach in July (keeping below the HWM, of course) and marveled at the sheer number of people packed onto the beach. As their development grows, I'm sure the numbers in peak times will only increase. I certainly can't blame them for wanting to keep those numbers in check. But I assure you it doesn't make me want to go join in with the crowd sweltering in the 100 degree heat. Maybe that's why I much prefer the Fall and Spring in Sowal.

Sure do wish we could all get along. It would be a lot more fun for everyone. Isn't that what we come to Sowal for?
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#59
Gosh, until I began reading this thread I didn't know that by my small ownership in Seacrest that I was considered riffraff. Live and learn. I'm sorry that there are those people in the world who consider it their right to take advantage of other people's property, but I feel rather insulted to be lumped in with that crowd. I personally have never used one of Rosemary's walkovers. It is way, way, too inconvenient. I have, however, walked up the beach in July (keeping below the HWM, of course) and marveled at the sheer number of people packed onto the beach. As their development grows, I'm sure the numbers in peak times will only increase. I certainly can't blame them for wanting to keep those numbers in check. But I assure you it doesn't make me want to go join in with the crowd sweltering in the 100 degree heat. Maybe that's why I much prefer the Fall and Spring in Sowal.

Sure do wish we could all get along. It would be a lot more fun for everyone. Isn't that what we come to Sowal for?

I hope you didn't take Shelly's post too seriously when you expressed your thoughts. The problem is not so much the "riff-raff" as you call it, but with the "screw the beachfront private property owner" attitude of a majority of Walton County Commissioners and the NATURAL way that developers will capitalize on that.

What many here don't realize (some clearly do however), is that the increase in off-beach development is having a REVERSE effect regarding the public using the beach. Many gulf-front property owners have been pushed too far and are reacting.

This is the 12th time I'll say it...Nobody has been run off our beach yet by me. But I know the day is coming when we'll have no choice if we are to protect our own investment and interests as all the improper developments that are sanctioned by the county bring in hordes of weekly out-of-towners packing properties to the hilt to cut down on costs, who want to be at the beach every single day that they are there.

Contrast that to the typical family who LIVE near the beach. They have a life. They may only get to the beach maybe only once per week.

Interestingly, several years ago my family and I were looking at property at the Villas at Sunset Beach. We didn't buy there but I wondered then how in the heck all those people across the street were going to "squeeze" through the Villas (albeit legal). Now that the area is somewhat maturing and after reading this thread, I don't have to wonder anymore.
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#60
I hope you didn't take Shelly's post too seriously when you expressed your thoughts.

Hold it right there, Bucko!

I think the implication of Seacrest Riff-Raff came from the Rosemary Thymes (:roll:) article and the employment of Beach Gestapo to patrol their dry sand.

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On September 10, the Rosemary Beach board of directors voted to hire security to enforce the privacy of the beach and the beach walkovers.

"We will be sending letters to remind our neighbors," Bagby said, "that the beach walkovers and the beach are private. To avoid embarrassment or calls from angry renters, they need to let them know where the public beach access and the Seacrest access are located."

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BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#61
Hold it right there, Bucko!

I think the implication of Seacrest Riff-Raff came from the Rosemary Thymes (:roll:) article and the employment of Beach Gestapo to patrol their dry sand.

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On September 10, the Rosemary Beach board of directors voted to hire security to enforce the privacy of the beach and the beach walkovers.

"We will be sending letters to remind our neighbors," Bagby said, "that the beach walkovers and the beach are private. To avoid embarrassment or calls from angry renters, they need to let them know where the public beach access and the Seacrest access are located."
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No problem.

I didn't see the term riff-raff in the article itself or your post. But after searching, Rapunzel, in a later post, coined the phrase regarding this topic: "I'd just dropped a substantial chunk of money at the RB business where I picked up my copy of the Thymes implying Seacrest residents were a bunch of riff raff mucking the "Alluring White Sands" of Rosemary Beach. I think I'm going to stage a boycott."

Since your previous post negatively characterized the results of those that use the beach......

"then I noticed more and more trash during my walks (and picking up) on the beach; then condos & subdivisions sprang up everywhere; then plastic junk, chairs and tents were left all over the beach overnight; and now this summer they started in with all the "private beach" signs and they even arrested a guy for sitting on dry sand in the "wrong place."

......Shame on me for assuming that her response was somewhat influenced by your post. What is the definition of riff-raff anyway?;-)

:D Happy Thanksgiving!!! :D
John R avatar
needs to get out more
#62
...What is the definition of riff-raff anyway?;-)


Main Entry:
riff?raff Listen to the pronunciation of riffraff
Pronunciation:
\ˈrif-ˌraf\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English ryffe raffe, from rif and raf every single one, from Anglo-French rif e raf altogether
Date:
15th century

1 a: disreputable persons b: rabble c: one of the riffraff
2: one who unwittingly sits on private sand at the beach
3: refuse, rubbish
? riffraff adjective

;-)Happy Thanksgiving;-)

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