Rosemary Thymes Beach Access Article

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  1. SHELLY

    SHELLY SoWal Insider

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    Yeah! Let's start by stopping development of Doodle Int'l that will <alledgedly> bring tens-of-thousands more folks stampeding to our beac....:blink:...oh, forget it.


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  2. rocket136

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    Wow, It looks like this thing is spreading. I'm not surprised having been away a few months. The Beach is a scarce resource a subset of a finite resource, an idea our system is founded on; private property ownership. Money will buy it all evetually unless there is strong leadership form both the public and private sector. I really think that is the root problem. Home ownership associations should be given a chance to do what is right and strike a balance between private ownership and the public trust. If they don't it has to be up to the government to legislate.

    Currrently there seems to be a groundswell of activity on the side of private owners drawing lines in the sand (I'm surprised that no one's come up with that line yet!). In doing so that are denying the public trust. If they don't change their tune, the county goverment should "threaten" to get involved.

    Does the county have the guts to fill the leadership vacuum? And where is the Leadership from the courts? The wet / sand dry sand argument is silly in todays environment. A more definitve ruling must be made with how the beach is used.

    Cant' wait to come down again. We booked for spring break, I just hope we get access.:cool:
     
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    :rolling: I think it got wore out a few years back. Kinda like everyone saying "hunker down" doing a hurricane.:D
     
  4. SHELLY

    SHELLY SoWal Insider

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  5. Bobby J

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    Nothing a pair of wire cutters can't take care of...
     
  6. SHELLY

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    ....and a Bail Bondsman; and a lawyer; and a $500 fine.


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  7. Bobby J

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    ....that gets thrown out and helps all beaches become public once more attention is drawn to the issue.
     
  8. seacrestkristi

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    Grayt shot, Shel. :bow::nono1::banned:What a sad reality. Thanks for speaking out. It's not as easy as it looks. If you make a living from real eastate there I would imagine it could be a little intimidating to go up against new wealthy developers to preserve evreybody's right to the beach. Bravo to you and Bobby J! If your an absentee homeowner it's a little scary because you wonder if somebody's going to destroy your sheeet while you're not there for speaking out. :dunno:Fear really paralyzes folks. I wish more people would speak out loud and clear for public beaches for all! From one neighbor to the next, thanks to everyone who will speak up. :wave:
     
  9. Beachcoma

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    Wow, my first visit to this thread -- sort of scary!

    All potential buyers of SoWal real estate should read these posts - puts the "warm, welcoming beach community atmosphere" description in a whole new perspective.

    I am a potential buyer of a retirement home in the SoWal area. After reading the posts here it strengthens my conviction that the best course of action for me may be to continue living in my gated golf course environment and rent on the beach for two months in the Spring or Fall. I can see both sides of this but I have no desire to become an owner and then get caught up in an argument about who owns the beach. Besides, things seem to be a little more tranquil below the frost line!
     
  10. scooterbug44

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    There is still a warm welcoming beach community atmosphere, there are just a couple spoilt apples in the barrel so we are trying to solve the problem before they ruin the whole barrel! Go ahead and buy a house on the beach, as long as you are here to enjoy the beach/beach lifestyle and not to raise your BP by running folks off the empty sand in front of your house you'll be fine :roll:.
     
  11. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    I'm sorry but I don't see the problem with any resort town owning their own amenities such as pools, tennis courts, beach walkovers, etc. I don't think they should own the entire beach, though they do take all the responsibility of maintaining it. The issue is access. Access to the beach via beach walkovers.

    Private beach walkovers are built for homeowners, residents and visitors/renters. I can't see why they should be open to the general public, especially in Rosemary Beach where there are huge neighborhoods nearby (seacrest). They have every right to reserve their walkovers and amenities for town residents.

    On the other hand, I love how Seaside seems to be the only real beach resort community that opens its town to all. But, they don't have a "seacrest" next door that uses and abuses its amenities and walkovers. We are all pretty much welcome there. And I do appreciate Seaside for that.
     
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    The Seaside welcome has also gone by the wayside with the new management company. They have posted all of their walkovers private and also put signs on the beach!

    I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to keep pools, parking spaces, cabanas, stairs, basically anything THEY have built private. My problem is with them running folks off the sand that predates both them and their developments. :angry:
     
  13. Teresa

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    well, Seaside has always had signs. But, we have always participated in the town in almost every way, and we've always been welcome.

    I do agree with you about the sand. we don't have free access to the beach walkovers. but the beaches are another story. but, without the walkover, such as in Rosemary, the beach would not be overrun by nearby neighborhoods.

    Seacrest residents need not help themselves to walkovers in other resort communities. period.
     
  14. SHELLY

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    Beachcoma,

    I live here full-time (and have for years & years)--life in our little group of beachtowns was freewheeling and fun for most of that time. I can't believe how fast things began to change during the RE frenzy. First we had an increase in traffic; then I noticed more and more trash during my walks (and picking up) on the beach; then condos & subdivisions sprang up everywhere; then plastic junk, chairs and tents were left all over the beach overnight; and now this summer they started in with all the "private beach" signs and they even arrested a guy for sitting on dry sand in the "wrong place."

    Watching how things are developing around here, I think it makes a helluvalot of financial sense to just rent for the couple of months each year you want to stay on the beach. My advice to you is to come here, spend your money and enjoy your vacation without having to put up with all the drama and politics of being a homeower.


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  15. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    How in the hell did I miss this thread???

    Jim Bagby......"town manager" of Rosemary Beach.

    Hmmmmmm.......

    He now has to "enforce" the rights of the RMB property owners by making sure the Seacrest folks (and others) don't trespass....all this due to the "overcrowding" of the beach in their area.

    What a real twist of events in less than one year!

    Can anyone guess why? (hint: RFV).
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  16. dsilvar

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    Shel,
    I guess I just don't get it. Sorry to be stupid.
    A beachside lot in Florida has a legal description, ya?
    The seaside boundary is legally described to be to the ECL ...in most(?) cases.?
    Where the hell is the problem..I won't walk north of the ECL and you (beach lot owner) don't bother me south of there. QED....:dunno: ?
     
  17. Capricious

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    "Watching how things are developing around here, I think it makes a helluvalot of financial sense to just rent for the couple of months each year you want to stay on the beach. My advice to you is to come here, spend your money and enjoy your vacation without having to put up with all the drama and politics of being a homeower..."




    Not to mention those watery-blowy things called Hurricanes.

    Makes me want to stick to lake property,
     
  18. ameliaj

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    Gosh, until I began reading this thread I didn't know that by my small ownership in Seacrest that I was considered riffraff. Live and learn. I'm sorry that there are those people in the world who consider it their right to take advantage of other people's property, but I feel rather insulted to be lumped in with that crowd. I personally have never used one of Rosemary's walkovers. It is way, way, too inconvenient. I have, however, walked up the beach in July (keeping below the HWM, of course) and marveled at the sheer number of people packed onto the beach. As their development grows, I'm sure the numbers in peak times will only increase. I certainly can't blame them for wanting to keep those numbers in check. But I assure you it doesn't make me want to go join in with the crowd sweltering in the 100 degree heat. Maybe that's why I much prefer the Fall and Spring in Sowal.

    Sure do wish we could all get along. It would be a lot more fun for everyone. Isn't that what we come to Sowal for?
     
  19. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    I hope you didn't take Shelly's post too seriously when you expressed your thoughts. The problem is not so much the "riff-raff" as you call it, but with the "screw the beachfront private property owner" attitude of a majority of Walton County Commissioners and the NATURAL way that developers will capitalize on that.

    What many here don't realize (some clearly do however), is that the increase in off-beach development is having a REVERSE effect regarding the public using the beach. Many gulf-front property owners have been pushed too far and are reacting.

    This is the 12th time I'll say it...Nobody has been run off our beach yet by me. But I know the day is coming when we'll have no choice if we are to protect our own investment and interests as all the improper developments that are sanctioned by the county bring in hordes of weekly out-of-towners packing properties to the hilt to cut down on costs, who want to be at the beach every single day that they are there.

    Contrast that to the typical family who LIVE near the beach. They have a life. They may only get to the beach maybe only once per week.

    Interestingly, several years ago my family and I were looking at property at the Villas at Sunset Beach. We didn't buy there but I wondered then how in the heck all those people across the street were going to "squeeze" through the Villas (albeit legal). Now that the area is somewhat maturing and after reading this thread, I don't have to wonder anymore.
     
  20. SHELLY

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    [​IMG]Hold it right there, Bucko!

    I think the implication of Seacrest Riff-Raff came from the Rosemary Thymes :)roll:) article and the employment of Beach Gestapo to patrol their dry sand.

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    On September 10, the Rosemary Beach board of directors voted to hire security to enforce the privacy of the beach and the beach walkovers.

    "We will be sending letters to remind our neighbors," Bagby said, "that the beach walkovers and the beach are private. To avoid embarrassment or calls from angry renters, they need to let them know where the public beach access and the Seacrest access are located."

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