Schism in the Democratic Congress over the Second Amendment

[6thGen]

The intent of the 2nd Amendment was to keep the newly formed Congress from taking away the states' rights to have a militia - not to make sure that Frank the wack-a-doo can more efficiently shoot up a campus or office building or that Bubba can turn a duck or deer into confetti.

Actually, the intent was to keep check on the federal government. Especially at the time, and although less effective still true, a ruling power is kept in check by an armed populace, and the founders knew that. The "Don't worry about protecting yourself, we'll protect you" doesn't really address who protects us from the aforementioned "we", and it falsely assumes "we" has my best interest in mind (on my typical soapbox we wouldn't have had this debate if someone had bloodied Jefferson's nose w/r/t unenumerated powers).

Beyond the Constitutional issues, what makes the gun control lobby so convinced that controlling an inexpensive yet highly demanded product works? Prohibition? The War on Drugs?

 

[Santiago]

Actually, the intent was to keep check on the federal government. Especially at the time, and although less effective still true, a ruling power is kept in check by an armed populace, and the founders knew that. The "Don't worry about protecting yourself, we'll protect you" doesn't really address who protects us from the aforementioned "we", and it falsely assumes "we" has my best interest in mind (on my typical soapbox we wouldn't have had this debate if someone had bloodied Jefferson's nose w/r/t unenumerated powers).

Beyond the Constitutional issues, what makes the gun control lobby so convinced that controlling an inexpensive yet highly demanded product works? Prohibition? The War on Drugs?

You are 100% correct on what the founders meant by militia and it is absolutely amazing that seemingly normal, intelligent people don't get this. All they know is that government is good and they(g'ment) wouldn't let us down.

 

[Lynnie]

I don't know anyone whether Dem, Lib, Rep, Independent, etc. or otherwise is for the Constitution being reinterpreted to be rewritten and/or modified.

Once the Constitution takes away rights, the precendence has been staged for even crazier things to happen. Most believe the Patriot Act has gone too far and should be repealed.

Like the AARP, the NRA is one of the largest lobbyist groups who is quite active on Capitol Hill. From Election Day, guns have been flying off the shelves. But, the people I know buying guns are stocking up on ammo more than anything.......they aren't buying AK47 thingys under the guise of big game hunting......seems that would take away their funn using an assault weapon on moose, etc.

If a criminal wants to get a gun, he or she will always be able to get their hands on their gun of choice.

 

[Bob]

Guns don't kill people. Our catch and release criminal justice system, civil libertarians who oppose institutionalization of the dangerously insane and rotten to the core schools kill people.

pray for the murderous schools

 

[6thGen]

I don't know anyone whether Dem, Lib, Rep, Independent, etc. or otherwise is for the Constitution being reinterpreted to be rewritten and/or modified.

Do you follow the courts?

 

[Lynnie]

Do you follow the courts?

Yep, I do.

And, I don't know anyone 'personally' no matter the party they affiliate,........sorry, I shouldn't have left that part out.

Seems most people I know understand the importance of our Consitution and that it isn't a 'living' document.

 

[30A Skunkape]

pray for the murderous schools

I don't understand how we have murderous schools;aren't guns banned within a certain perimeter of and within the bounds of a school? Are they not little islands of legislated gun control where there is never any gun violence?

 

[Bob]

I don't understand how we have murderous schools;aren't guns banned within a certain perimeter of and within the bounds of a school? Are they not little islands of legislated gun control where there is never any gun violence?

they're little islands of learning sprinkled with gunfire

 

[Bob]

It does the anti-gun people no good to just ban "AK-47's". They are smart enough to just go for a chink in the armor and then proceed to step 2, hand guns or whatever. They aren't going to take previous legislation and just re-pass it without tinkering with it. It's never happened that way and never will. A useful/standard weapon that will get caught up in this would be an semi automatic rifle commonly used for deer hunting. You can take basically any rifle with a standard clip that will hold 3 or 4 cartridges and add a larger magazine. Shazam, this would put it into another category. I don't have a lot of guns but I damn well want the right to own them. And hnooe, this doesn't make Harry Reid a moderate democrat, just a politician. He couldn't give a damn about gun owners, he just likes being a limp wristed senator.

what gun are you referring to? can you not hunt deer with any one of thousands of bolt actions or lever actions? the issue here is a weapons class capable of easy conversion to allow massive rate of fire. we don't argue about class three weapons do we? then why get tied in a knot over the military arsenal stuff. you don't need/ can't justify it outside of marksmanship.

 

[Matt J]

How about we just duel it out at high noon?