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Beach Lover
Jun 15, 2008
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I SO AGREE!! Got an invite to one of these from a neighbor "back home" and love her to death
but the wasting tea bags thing was the first thought I had. Her hubby is a recently retired CFO so figure he must be bored. They are providing tea bags, envelopes and postage. I had a good excuse (I'm here!):clap:
 

InletBchDweller

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After further reflection I find it incredibly offensive that you are throwing away food when so many Americans could use it.

How about instead of lobbing the Lipton in a deserted parking lot you donate it to a pantry? Or donate 3x the amount you will waste?

It's ok SB it is just 2nd rate tea bought from Wal Mart....:D LOL!
 

scooterbug44

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How did you arrive at 3x?
2x just didn't seem enough when I originally typed it.

"Hi, you're starving so I'll give you the same amount of food I just threw on the ground in a parking lot plus what I got in the BOGO deal."

or

"I'm sorry I wasted while you went without - to atone, here is a matching amount plus twice what I wasted!"
 

wrobert

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2x just didn't seem enough when I originally typed it.

"Hi, you're starving so I'll give you the same amount of food I just threw on the ground in a parking lot plus what I got in the BOGO deal."

or

"I'm sorry I wasted while you went without - to atone, here is a matching amount plus twice what I wasted!"


Just curious. Personally, I do not feel I was placed here to judge. There will be a time and a place for that. Not like tea is going to keep someone from starving anyway.

The problem I have with the whole thing is the principles of the people doing it. Bob Sullivan is a great guy. I wish him the best and am happy to see someone taking an interest in something they believe in. I look forward in working with him in 2010.

Mary Brown, after talking up the tea party, said that people should support the tax increase on tourists since no one local was having to pay for it. She voted against it at the TDC board meeting, then wrote a letter to the BCC endorsing it. I am looking for more principled conservatives. People whom I have a pretty good idea as to what they stand for.

So, I will more than likely stay home. Got a lot of reading to do.
 

scooterbug44

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The money spent on tea or coffee for a month can add up to several meals for a poor family. While I find it rather impractical/elitist, they are always using the example of banking the amount folks spent on their daily Starbucks as a way to save hundreds or thousands a year.

Basically I got frustrated that when we have an easily identifiable tax increase issue in our county they are choosing to chuck chamomile instead of getting involved in something that would actually accomplish something.

2 vs 3 wasn't a "judgment", just my gut/revision tendencies as I typed, watched TV, and cooked dinner.
 

LuciferSam

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Aren't a lot of these just going to be "I hate Obama so let's vent" affairs. They're just support groups for downtrodden (in their delusional minds) losers. Their candidate took a really good teabaggin in the election and so now it's payback time, well at least in their minds.:lol: The funny part about it is that the taxes they seem to be having such a problem with are a product of the previous administrations. Yeah, I know, it's all about what policies Obama plans to implement.:roll: Give me a break. These are gripe sessions to rant about Obama's foreigner status, his Muslim religion, William Ayers, Reverend Wright, firearm confiscation, evolution, constitution, revolution, no solution, mass confusion, whatever....:cool:
 
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rapunzel

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Nov 30, 2005
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What really bugs me is the whole "tea party" term being thrown around. Seriously, if you want to be sanctimonious about your alleged patriotism, at least bother to read a bit about American history first.

The Boston Tea Party was not a bunch of colonist who bought tea and then dumped it in the harbor to protest their taxes being too high. It was an act of civil disobedience organized by the Sons of Liberty -- the kind of firebrand liberals that Fox news would label terrorists today as they protest globalization at G20 meetings -- who destroyed tea that was to be taxed (an unfair sales tax ("fair" TM tax, non-income based tax) rather than let fellow colonists buy the tea and pay the tax, thereby continuing the taxation without representation that made the American colonists second class citizens within the British Empire. The Sons wanted to have their elected representatives, acting in the best interests of the American people, levy all taxes. As a historian, I imagine Samuel Adams and John Hancock must be spinning in their graves anticipating tomorrow's "protests."

The Sons of Liberty led a courageous act of civil disobedience, leading risky and menacing protests to keep the East India Company ships from being able to unload their tea. They demanded the tea be returned to the East India Company, and when the Governor refused to allow the tea to be sent back, the band of young protestors sneaked on board the ships in the middle of the night, and threw all the tea into the harbor -- destroying the tea. Their actions prompted the crown to enact the Coersive Acts, which punished all colonists for the acts of a few young ideologues, and had the unintended consequence of strengthening the Sons' arguments that they should be taxed only by their own elected representatives and spurred the revolution.

What did the Sons of Liberty want? Not a revolution, not at the time of the tea incident. They believed that under English Common Law they constitutionally had the right to only be subject to taxation by government officials who they had a role in electing. The Sons were advocating for democracy, and in a democracy we accept that we will sometimes find ourselves in the minority. Everyone we vote for will not win. The Sons of Liberty didn't want to avoid paying taxes to a government in which they could participate, but rather to pay taxes levied by representatives they had elected (or at least had an opportunity to vote in the election).

This stunt tomorrow is about the least American thing I can ever remember happening in our country. A bunch of people, bitter over the outcome of a fair and free election, will go out and buy tea, pay sales tax on that tea, and take it to a "party" where they will dump this imported commodity into a parking lot, and then go home? To what purpose? Who benefits?

Well, no one benefits, except perhaps the minority party. There is no act of civil disobedience, there is no "Give me freedom or give me Death" sort of heroism in the name of Liberty going on here...there are a bunch of bitter people complaining about paying taxes because the guy they voted for didn't win. These people didn't protest fighting a war on credit or a straw doll economy. They are not protesting taxation by representatives they had no say in electing.

Further, the whole idea of the Tea Party originates with the Ron Paul acolytes within the Libertartian movement. They at least sort of got the concept correct. The Republican Party in Florida is at this very moment trying to put into state law a new statute that will effectively keep the Ron Paul grassroots activists out of positions of power and influence within the state Republican Party (by requiring the Chair to approve anyone wishing to run for committeeman/committeewoman positions) -- and yet they are putting on this show of grassroots PR "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore" moments for the news cycle and make it appear that something is being said, and that someone is listening. Whatever.

If someone wanted to do a Tea Party correctly, it might be organized by the Sons of Tourism, who could refuse to pay the bed tax without a right to vote on representatives to the TDC -- and they could hold the Tea Party in the parking lot of Beach Rentals of South Walton, thereby preventing tourists from paying the tax. I mean, if you want to get the concept correct and all....

So, HNooe, I think my protest banner will read, "I hear taxes are pretty low in Haiti, where everyone carries a gun for self defense!" On the reverse it will say, "USA, love it or leave it!"
 

Miss Kitty

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Yikes! I need to get out more! I've read all the posts here and have a few questons.

1) Could someone actually be going to one of these tea parties to protest something other than Mr. Obama? Like, maybe, the CONGRESS? :dunno:

2) Do all card carrying Democrats smile when they pay their income taxes? Do they voluntarily send more than they owe for the government to use at their discretion?

3) This is a tough one....I would LOVE to hear from a card carrying Democrat that is in the top 5 % of wage earners and have them explain to me why sending more $ to Washington will help the people in this country that really need it. I would welcome your PMs, as it is really a confidential matter.

I will tell you one good outcome from this shift and cleansing of our country...Mr. K and I had a great conversation last night about where to use our charitable monies. For us, one of the most gratifying byproducts of our good fortune is to give to so many wonderful and dynamic charities. I have stated before, that if we could be responsible for giving any tax monies from a higher tax away to charity, it would be a no brainer and we could smile while we wrote those checks!!!

For now, I continue to have faith in my President. I pray he can help this country find a balance.
 
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