Thank You Mr. President
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Like i said before, this November will set the record straight. The people will vote their feelings in the mirror.
Massive job losses, record deficits & spending, wasted stimulus, false recoverys, increased racial polarization, broken promises on transparency, federal abortion funding, getting out of Iraq, closing Gitmo, repealing the Patriot Act (voted to extend it), failure to enforce our borders, leaked memos of White House fast track amnesty and incompetent crisis handling doesn't bode well for any sitting President.
Democrats are paniced to keep their jobs and purposely keeping their distance from the President. Guess who won't be coming to lunch with Obama? | Political Insider
Massive job losses, record deficits & spending, wasted stimulus, false recoverys, increased racial polarization, broken promises on transparency, federal abortion funding, getting out of Iraq, closing Gitmo, repealing the Patriot Act (voted to extend it), failure to enforce our borders, leaked memos of White House fast track amnesty and incompetent crisis handling doesn't bode well for any sitting President.
Democrats are paniced to keep their jobs and purposely keeping their distance from the President. Guess who won't be coming to lunch with Obama? | Political Insider
Agreed that citizens will have the chance to speak with their votes in November. I just wish there was a better option than Democrats and Republicans. One does a crap job. So we overwhelmingly vote them out and replace them with the other- which also does a crap job. So now we are left with the option of staying with the one who did a crap job or going with the other who did a crap job. Ugh. It's like sitting at a table with two hammers and alternating which one you hit yourself in the head with.
Thank yourself
I wrote a thread a long time ago about how all of this was EVERYONE'S fault - regardless of political party, who was President/government, or what your economic class was, decisions were made AT EVERY LEVEL AND BY THE MAJORITY OF THE US that got us all to this point.
Yes, some individuals and their decisions have more clout, but all of this has come about because of a wide variety of people who participated in or enabled bad decisions and choices - including you.
I wrote a thread a long time ago about how all of this was EVERYONE'S fault - regardless of political party, who was President/government, or what your economic class was, decisions were made AT EVERY LEVEL AND BY THE MAJORITY OF THE US that got us all to this point.
Yes, some individuals and their decisions have more clout, but all of this has come about because of a wide variety of people who participated in or enabled bad decisions and choices - including you.
That hasn't been true in the past. All one has to do is make empty promises, buy a lot of signs, hire some good campaign strategist, look good (intelligent and caring) behind a podium, and convince voters that the other candidates are crooks, liars, and cheats.
That alone has won most elections. It has nothing to do with viable solutions.
Excuse me? You have the nerve to talk about a bunch of crap with all you spread? You can go ahead and vote for the 20, 30 and 40 year incumbents if you want. I and others will wipe yours and others like you votes out, something we didn't do last time to our ever dying regret. I'll take the new candidates over the likes of political hacks like Allen Boyd any day of the week.
Really, that tech stock bubble and all the paper money it generated (and all the federal revenue it generated) represented a true "booming economy"? Would you like to bring that bubble back again? How 'bout the real-estate bubble? or the credit bubble? Take your pick, but none of these periods represented real, solid economic growth. If we're going to be fair about this, at least.
I tend to like to blame things on the people actually responsible. Like those crazy folks who bought the tech stocks that were worthless, bought and sold the real estate that was over priced, took out loans they knew they couldn't afford, offered up the bad loans to people they knew couldn't repay them, bought and sold MBS & default swaps they knew were worthless, and rated those MBS higher than they knew they should.
I'm not sure where your figures are coming from. George Bush never had a 1.3 trillion deficit, the worst he had over eight years was in 2008 at around 395 billion. (This doesn't include the SS gap of course.)
Public debt under Bush grew from about 3.4 trillion to 6.3 trillion over his eight year tenure (about 3 trillion total). Not a good record to be sure. But compared to Obama, Bush did pretty well. Since taking office Obama has driven debt held by the public from 6.3 trillion to almost 9 trillion dollars (about 2.7 trillion). The jury is still out, but considering Obama managed to do in two years what took Bush eight, it's not looking too pretty. Both presidents presided over economic downturns they inherited, and both presided over national disasters.
The democrats were in charge of Congress in 2008. They've been in charge of Congress since 2006. Right about the point in time where that graph spikes. ;-)
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sounds like gw's tenure
Just so long as we're all in agreement that these figures are estimates, not the real cost, and that these estimates were calculated by someone who is an anti-war advocate and Bush hater. If we can agree on that, than I'll accept the 3 trillion estimate. However, I would prefer in the future you place an asterisk to the side of that figure, and reference this post in the footnotes. mmkay? ;-)